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[thepolarfoxqx]

A lot of people tell me i'm blatently wrong in my views of cars and that the things i say are flagrently incorrect. The other day i just glanced through barnes & nobles car mag section, and here were a few highlights i saw:

From Corvette Magazine in an article comparing ZO6 an 911TT which used some of the strangest arguments i've ever heard, stated:

The corvette interior is attrocious, door handles do not fit into sockets, gaps between panels are enormous, seems are marked in excess glue, and in the weekend we tested the ZO6, it developed 2 new rattles.

That is what corvette magazine said. If anyone is going to be nice, or atleast just fair to the vette, wouldn't it be them? How do you argue that the corvette is quality after corvette magazine said that?

Automobile Magazine named the 3-Series it's best car under 40k, they named the M3 the best GT, and now for my favorite yet, to the throngs of people out there who tell me my boxster is a piece of junk, it's overpriced, that a vette and a Dodge SRT-4 are both better cars,

The Automobile Magazine sports car of the year is the Porsche Boxster.

they state it is "every bit a true porsche" and is "not manufactured but crafted", and "provides the highest driving experience for the money"

Automobile magazine is a pretty fair and reasonable journalistic source.

I just thought i'd put up some recent reads up.

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[bleh]

...im sorry ive been out of the loop but who was the tool that said an srt-4 was better than the boxter?

[thepolarfoxqx]

Jterp asserted the SRT4 was superior to a boxster in every sense except snob appeal and mockingly "refinement"

[djfux69]

no... the neon ( call it whatever you want) will always be a neon. and a porsche will always be a porsche. im not a fan of the boxter, but i dont knock it. its a great car, IMO a lil overpriced. never to be compared with a turbo neon.

[bleh]

handling??? dude im behind you all the way. the disagreements you and i had were usually rooted in opinion. to say that an srt-4 is better than a boxter in any way aside from practicality... thats a particulary unique opinion.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i just find it interesting they ranked it #1 sports car, ahead of corvette, ahead of everything. I guess they felt there was more to a car's performance than numbers, which is how i feel about it. There is just something about how it drives that is amazing. You'd have to have driven one. It feels like a porsche. the dash doesn't rattle.

[LateNightCable]

#1 sports car, ahead of Porsche's own 911? Yeah, whatever. Money no option you know they wouldn't be riding around in a friggin' Boxter over a 911 Turbo. The Boxter is a nice little car, but not $51,000 nice. The SRT/4 in comparison is a absolute bargain. Yes, the comparison between these two is a strange one, and it actually was filling up a thread for a time, but hell - I have to say I would put my money on an SRT/4 first. I have to go with that scrappy little ragamuffin, build quality be damned!

Chicks dig it! ...

[djfux69]

i dont know.. i think i would save my money and buy something else. something about driving a neon out of the movie the gay and the bi-curious doesnt tickle my fancy, oh wait. maybe thats why i didnt buy one.

[skyline_r34v]

i dont know.. i think i would save my money and buy something else. something about driving a neon out of the movie the gay and the bi-curious doesnt tickle my fancy, oh wait. maybe thats why i didnt buy one.

You been goin to the porn shops to much.

I never saw a Neon period in either of the "gay and bi-curious" movies much less an srt-4.

You can't argue its the best performance production car under $20k, nothing beats it.

It maybe a neon but it'll still whip ur ass even if it is "jus" a neon.

[djfux69]

It maybe a neon but it'll still whip ur ass even if it is "jus" a neon.

negative. but if you would like to think that. stock my 350z eats it, not by much... but my car isnt a neon. and my s4... well its a little more graphic ill spare you the details

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[skyline_r34v]

negative. but if you would like to think that. stock my 350z eats it, not by much... but my car isnt a neon. and my s4... well its a little more graphic ill spare you the details

Car and Driver's comparison.

Nissan 350z $28,000-$30,000

1/4 mile - 14.1 seconds

0-60mph - 5.4 seconds

skid.300ft - 0.88g's

Dodge Neon SRT-4 $18,000-$20,000

1/4 mile - 14.1 seconds

0-60mph - 5.6 seconds

skid.300ft - 0.85g's

If u go by the 350z being $10,000 more and it doesn't spank it at all.

The only thing i see the 350z eatin is its own words.

[djfux69]

automobile magazine. nissan 350z .99g left .96g right 1/4 14.0

my time 13.8 , plus... its not a neon. anyway my 350z is for sale, i want another S4 but this time a wagon.

[thepolarfoxqx]

SRT performs well, but 350z is better. S4 better yet. and boxster is sportscar of the year

[LateNightCable]

So whats' the 350Z DJ, straight? If you have to compare your Audi S4 to the SRT/4, your pretty desperate. You may think the car looks gay in yellow, but with the right color scheme and wheels, don't underestimate it's potential for looking bad-ass. And how is the 350Z " better "? At $10,000 more I'd say it's a royal rip-off. Put 10k more into the SRT/4, and there are a lot of cars you could smoke, including the S4. And saying it's " just a Neon " is a statement of prejudice, nothing more.

What did I tell ya? ... 8)

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[djfux69]

i didnt compare it to my S4, skyline said it eats all of my cars so i said both of my cars beat it. in style and performance.

there is always this discussion that " well with the extra 10k you can make an srt-4 faster than the 350z" dumb..... with enough money anything can beat anything.

there are obvious reasons for not buying an srt-4, mainly its a neon, secondly fwd. my platform costs more, but with the same money invested will acheive much better results. an srt-4 cant touch my car on a raod course.

stock for stock, mine is better. and as for the 350z being a royal ripoff..... its your opinion. the 350z is one of the best all around SPORTS cars for the money. outhandles an m3, nearly perfect weight distribution balance, cd of .30, a nice motor, and IMO great looks. whats my cars competition? of true sportscars? porsche boxter, mazda rx-8??? you can add more. anyway my car performs on par with the boxter s, except i hold more Gs on lateral acceleration and cost 20k less. it really doesnt matter. having the neon is like winning the special olympics, you might win.. but your still retarded. that car is made to compete with civics, rsx, focus etc.... thats some scary competition

i think you get my point.

[LateNightCable]

The 350Z handles better than an M3? Okay, now you just made that up. Yes, the 350Z being a royal rip-off is my opinion, but I would say it's at least a little valid. The SRT/4 is nipping at it's heels in everything. I wouldn't think that would be acceptable to you if you paid 10k more for your car. With the SRT/4, the money goes to where it counts, the 350Z in comparison is refined, but unfocused. The SRT is a very flingable car, thats' very important. The 350 is a tire chirper in comparison. I look at the good aspects of both cars, and the Nissan just isn't what it could be.

We have to talk about what could be done to the Neon with the price difference, it's only fair. And on that note, the PVO Racing Neon suspension parts could be bolted on directly. Civic, RSX, and Focus are not " scary " competiton, but the last two have the potential to run rings around the Z on a handling course. The SRT/4 has really been compared to the Impreza WRX, and Audi A4.

And I've seen your cute remark somewhere else. Think of it this way, if an SRT/4 beats a 350Z, it's not going to be the Neon driver who looks retarded.

[djfux69]

its getting boring defending the 350z at every turn. go look up the stats for the m3 then compare them to the 350z, youll see which car is the nimbler one. by the way im not a 350z enthusiast, in fact my 350z pisses me off. but its better than that neon.

the neon is fast, im not going to say it isnt. but its a neon. i dont care if it beats a porsche, you cant convince me to buy a neon over a porsche. just like my decision on buying a 350z over an srt-4.

[skyline_r34v]

U ppl jus don't get price difference comparison.

The 350Z is $30,000 respectfully and the SRT-4 is $20,000 respectfully, u can't sit there and say, "well if u add $10,000 to the SRT-4 then u gotta add $10,000 to my Z."

That's idiocracy, if u add $10,000 to the 350Z, guess wat?

U gotta add another $10,000 to the "Neon" in order to fairly match the price difference!

I like the 350Z and i'm not sayin it sucks, but if u throw on $5,000 of suspension mod's and $5,000 upgraded turbo mod's, ur gonna be the losing "retard" hands down.

Oh btw dj i wasn't talking bout UR cars directly, i was talkin bout sum of nebodies car in general.

So don't think i was houndin u or pickin on u, i was jus talkin in general.

[LateNightCable]

It gets' boring defending the 350Z partly because it's case is pretty slim against a $20,000 that can humble it on the street or track. I know the stats, but they don't add up. The M3 is just a better handling car, like most BMWs'.

I'm not interested in convincing anyone to choose a Neon over a Porsche. But saying that the SRT/4 will never be worth a damn just because it's a Neon is just silliness, and total snobbery. The root of that is not being able to accept the fact that a stock $20,000 " economy car " can give a 30k Nissan a run for it's money.

[djfux69]

I know the stats, but they don't add up. The M3 is just a better handling car, like most BMWs'.

:roll: whatever you say

i can accept the fact it will give ALL cars a run for their money with enough money invested. do i care? no. because all you need is money to make things fast. any idiot can do it. i for one dont care solely about speed. i like the total package, the way a car feels. a neon will never do it for me. ever.

[LateNightCable]

The Neon SRT/4 makes no claims as to the total package, it does however make the claim of being a great $20,000 bare bones performance car based upon a humble economy car platform. It turned out to be a great formula.

Obviously, it hasn't the accountrements of a 30k car, but I'd like to see it get the respect that it deserves. It's not just a Neon anymore, people should be happy about that.

[jterp]

Just finding this thread now -- I guess I've been too busy posting in one of the 5 or 6 current 'vette vs m3' threads..

You'd think that if you were mentioned by name in one of the initiial posts of a thread you would get a PM or something to let you know a response is warranted. :roll:

Lets see, so much to go over here:

From Corvette Magazine in an article comparing ZO6 an 911TT which used some of the strangest arguments i've ever heard, stated:

The corvette interior is attrocious, door handles do not fit into sockets, gaps between panels are enormous, seems are marked in excess glue, and in the weekend we tested the ZO6, it developed 2 new rattles.

I see no quotes so I assume you are paraphrasing. I would love to see this article. For all the slack that the vette interior takes, I really don't think it is that bad. I'm not one who places a great deal of importance on the stylishness of the interior, but it is definately not worthy of all the ill-will it receives.

"The Automobile Magazine sports car of the year is the Porsche Boxster. "

- Apparently automobile magazine's editors are daddy's girls and doctor's wives. Why are you parading this accolade around like a trophy? Are you so insecure about owning this car that you have to whore this article out to obtain some kind of validation? DO you think this is going to convince us that the car performs better than it does? We all know the facts -- we've driven them, raced against them, worked on them -- 1 journalist's opinion is not going to change our minds. I lost all faith in car journalits' awards when C&D ranked the Rx-8 above the 390 hp SC mustang cobra because it "has a roomier backseat." In all seriousness, fox, we just had a thread on what to do with $52k.. an M3 or a Z06 -- not a porsche that can be beaten around the track by a neon.

Which brings us to our next topic - the SRT-4. It is just as fast, if not faster, than the porsche. <end statement> I am not trying to convince anyone to buy, nor am I making any claims about the quality of its interior or its "refinement." I don't care if its a neon, if its a renault, if its a yugo, if its a studebaker, if its an AMX, if its a schwinn... It's as fast and handles as well as (and with dealer installed upgrades that do not void the warranty is faster and handles better) than any of the vehicles in its price range or the price range driectly above it. Stock it is as fast as the 350 z -- use $3k of the extra $13k you save on the original price of the car to upgrade to stage 2 or 3 and you BLOW THE DOORS OFF THE Z. I know, its a neon.. go ahead and stick your nose up at it --- and while you are staring at its taillights as it blows past you keep telling yourself how much nicer your interior is and that it's "still a neon"

damn elitists..

[LateNightCable]

By the way, does anyone want to race my Schwinn? Or how about my Pinto?

[bleh]

straight line vs turns... i love my fwd sedan but i know its downfalls and accelerating traction will always be an issue.

i respect that it can put down the NUMBERS that it can, but as mentioned before in some other thread numbers and how the car actually feels and responds for you personally are very very different things.

this argument has most definitely blossomed, but to get back on track

Jterp asserted the SRT4 was superior to a boxster in every sense except snob appeal and mockingly "refinement"

the srt4 is superior to the boxter in 3 specific areas, straight line acceleration from a roll, cost, and a back seat, thats it.

[jterp]

Indeed the Srt-4 is FWD -- and I do concede that the boxster gets a point for being RWD. Even as a front drive vehicle, however, the SRT-4 manages to put down better skidpad numbers. (Essentially doing more with less).. The addition of LSD to the SRT-4 drivetrain should handle some of the first run's traction problems.

I do like porsches, but with porsche you definately get what you pay for (relatively speaking). If you drop 150k for a GT2 then you get blistering performance -- if you just barely squeak into the dealership buying their entry level car, you get entry level performance.