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Jaguars have been known to be very elegant and stylish vehicles for some time now, but some of my friends describe them as "old people" cars. I'd like to know your opinion about these cars. Do you think they are old people cars or is that just a stigma that's hard to get rid of ??? The current Jag slogan is "born to perform" so I guess it means it's ok for younger drivers.

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SERGIOE34
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well i used to work for jaguar for a little over a year transporting cars.i have driven every jaguar there is.i realy dont think there the best cars around though.i used to have to jumpstart almost every car before i could leave.espasialy in the winter.those cars arent good in cold at all.i agree that xj and maybe even s type could be called old people cars.but not x and xk.the only jags i realy enjoyed driving were the supercharged ones.xkr is my fav and part of the reason i got fired.still compared to the other dealers i worked for id have to say jag was the least exiting.but the intiriors are pretty nice though.i love the smell of a brand knew vanden plas.

GIR
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The thing is that Jaguar isn't really known for the little extra you get with it. Mercedes is (or rather was) known for their eye for detail, BMW is known for their great enginering skills, what is Jaguar known for? Exactly, really expensive, not really that fast and (except from the leather interior) no extra gadgets and stuff. The only thing Jaguar is known for is their sturdy cars and engines, they are really build to last and won't break that easily.

The market for a Jaguar isn't really that big. So if you buy a new Jag then you'll see that it's value will drop very quickly, making the purchase unappealing.

thepolarfoxqx
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I would kindly like to point something out.

Compare the 4 All Wheel Drive european sport compacts.

Jaguar X-Type 3.0

Audi A4 Quattro 3.0

Mercedes C320 4Matic

BMW 330xi

The jaguar is the fastest to 60 in both manual and automatic trims. Dollar for dollar, i don't think you can get more than an XJR, the interior has the finest woods available, and they have connolly leather. That isn't just a brand name, I challenge you to get in jaguar and feel the seat. They are stupidly soft. They drive very solidly, and in the past 5 years have brought their reliability rating to be ON PAR with Mercedes and Audi. They handle amazingly well, and have amazing class, an X Class holds more presence in person than nearly any other car in the segment. It looks bigger than it is, it feels like a minature XJR, it has seductive curves,

They have character.

LateNightCable
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Any young person who would pass off an XJR as a " old person " car has to be blind and obviously can't appreciate the finer things in life. That car has hustle and class.

Put an XJR and a slammed Civic next to each other and I dare you're friends to pick the Civic to be seen in on Saturday night.

thepolarfoxqx
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damn right! XJR does 0-60 in 5.0 secconds, hustles through the corners, and is damn sexy. You let me tune up my XJR, you play with your civic, see who wins. better yet, I have the softest seats available, the finest of everything around me, my engine is subtle and refined in its yell, best of all, the XJR looks nice whether you park it at mcdonalds or the finest resteraunt. See what happens when you pull the rice-mobile up to the valet at your favorite 5 star. Thought so.

diesel2029
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Just curious, is the engine in the XJR the same as the one used in the S Type R ??? I'm seriously thinking about getting an S Type R. This car would look really nice next to my 97 Maxima.

thepolarfoxqx
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they both use the same 4.2L DOHC 32V Supercharged and Intercooled V8 putting out 390hp. The larger XJR is although lighter than the S Type R (the XJR is all aluminum) and is such faster.

imported_Aston Martin
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If someone offered me the keys to a Jag - any Jag, or a BMW, Merc, Audi etc. I'd take the Jag any day. Everyone says they are for old people, but if that's true they'll be the one having the last laugh while being cosseted at 150 m.p.h, passing the endless rows of common German box-structures with perfect ease.

LateNightCable
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If someone offered me the keys to a Jag - any Jag, or a BMW, Merc, Audi etc. I'd take the Jag any day.

You sure you wouldn't rather have an Aston? :D

thepolarfoxqx
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where do you get aston parts? I'd love one if they could be fixed.

imported_Aston Martin
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You sure you wouldn't rather have an Aston? :D

Well yea, obviously! I'll have a Vanquish just as soon as they give it a proper manual with a clutch. Until then a DB7 Vantage V12 coupe will do me nicely! Anyone own one and wants to give it away for free? :P

thepolarfoxqx
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hey, me first! So what if it only SMG, could be worse, for the aluminum space frame and tweaked up 5.9L V12, I'd live with it. I personally like the more classic lines of Volante, anyway, a car like that doesn't even need to be driven at the limits to say I'm fast.

SpEeDiSaDdIcTiVe
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The F1-style box ruins what is otherwise an excellent car. Give me a car free from electronic aids any day. I don't want a Hi-Fi, I just want a damn proper car! Besides, I think it's more to do with following the fashion of having paddle-shift boxes for the sake of it than anything else.

LateNightCable
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There is truth in that. I just want a damn proper car too.

thepolarfoxqx
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the Vanquish is more than a damn propper car, and high tech is part of the personality.

it gets the job done.

Paul XJR
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I just bought my first Jaguar, and I'm only 33 years old.

Up until now, I've been driving performance Fords - Fiesta XR2s, Escort RS Turbos and Escort RS2000s. They are fine for kids, but you grow out of them after 10-15 years of driving them.

The Jaguar XJR is one or more steps up in terms of performance...

Paul....

PS : I found those Recaros were giving me backache - now where have my pipe and slippers gone to...?

thepolarfoxqx
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lol, my uncle (father's youngest brother) just turned 40 and sold his vette for an E55, his reason "i'm an old man now", lol, trust me, XJR is plenty cool a car, and is pretty damn fast as well. As far as big sedans go, it is the most performance and "cool" orriented of them, or atleast was.

SpEeDiSaDdIcTiVe
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the Vanquish is more than a damn propper car, and high tech is part of the personality.

it gets the job done.

Had to laugh at that. It gets the job done? That's what most people say about Vauxhall Astras! It's a very expensive piece of art, which is, for me at least, ruined by the F1 'box. I don't have a problem with technology - I mean it's inevitable - but for me, the whole enjoyment of driving is just that - DRIVING. The paddle shift takes away a part of the experience (and not to mention burning clutches, difficult hill starts etc.). I'd rather do the gear change myself, so I'm in full control of everything. The same goes for power-assisted steering and A.B.S brakes.

It's like with old Lamborghinis, people used to complain that they were difficult to drive, but I bet it was damn satisfying to know that you'd done it all by yourself, and not have a computer do the hard work for you. They used to separate the men from the boys.

Take away the paddle shift and put a clutch pedal and gear stick in, and I'd have one. Up until then, I'll still lust after a DB7.

thepolarfoxqx
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if you are going for a pure performance car, you aren't going to buy an aston martin, let's face facts. Aston is about luxury, sophistication, performance, and prestige, it isn't about edge of your seat sportiness. i admit, i'd like a real 6spd in vanq, but i can see their angle in it too.

I see what you are saying though, on my E30, i took off the power steering, and would have disabled ABS if it weren't so passive (literally, it still lets you lock in all but the worst cases), and i think it makes the car much more fun and controllable for it.

Driving purity seems to have been sacraficed, its really too bad. That's what i loved about alfa romeo spyders, it was a nothing unessential, pure and direct car, and i respected it for that.

SpEeDiSaDdIcTiVe
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Well, an F1 'box on what is essentially a very fast Grand Tourer? I'm just not convinced it has its place in the Vanquish. I wouldn't mind if it was an option, but the DB7 Vantage does basically the same job with the six-speed manual gearbox and in more luxury. You might as well save the money and order a DB7 instead.

The paddle 'shift was nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction to the fashion of Italian marques fitting them in their sports cars. Fair enough, but A.M. must have forgotten that the Italians also offer a standard manual 'box. I wonder how many sales A.M. have lost on the Vanquish through not offering a standard gearshift.

thepolarfoxqx
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probably not that many.

it is a hard battle for aston against the italians, the DB7 is for the purist, the aston afficianado, vanquish is a state of the art flagship showing off what they can do, meant to go head to head with the meanest italian machines, i would like to have seen a real 6spd, but i can see their reasoning.

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