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Pros and Cons of American sporties

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thepolarfoxqx
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are you going to make me dig out a torque curve graph?

that thing is making just about as many horsepower at at 4,500 as it does at 5,200 or 5,600.

use some engineering common sense and look at that engine.

I'll call it "the oversized rickity valvetrain piece"

what do you think?

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bleh
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Polar fox...First of all I am not your friend, nor am I foolish.
well at least your hospitable and modest
The word you should have used was ignorant (brush up on your english gramar). Second there are european/ itallian car makers using american engines.....
if you want to get anal, you forgot the comma after second and to captialize Italian and American. so enough with the religion on language usage.
Qvale (italy), noble (british), and detomaso (italy) all use or used ford engines.
this is the first time ive heard of them. not to say that they dont exist, just that they arent really going anywhere fast with there business. i am not saying there is a correlation..... merely suggesting. as far as the ecotec engine goes, well yea it does suck to be schooled.
LateNightCable
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You know Makara, you can reply without requoting everyone back to them. It saves space.

Come to think of it, theres' a whole lot of quoting going on in this thread. I feel the heat :oops: , I think I'll leave this kitchen. :D

thepolarfoxqx
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i think so too. I am shutting this post down for a few days so we can let it calm down a bit.

dcvenom
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American Sport/muscle cars ooze machismo. only a few non american cars can compare regarding pure visceral emotion. For example as near perfect the 911T is it does not give the emotional high when going 10/10ths on a track that say a viper or cobra gives you . the german cars are almost too good.

German/italian cars=super models

american cars = Porn stars.

Lambos= Jenna Jameson :)

'nuff said

MK

djfux69
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^^^ american cars are porn stars because they all have loose rear ends :D:D:D

dcvenom
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Amen to that. Ever take a turn at 150+mph on a viper.

Those silly looking aftermarket rear wings become a necessity.

Porn stars are a little loose for sure but usually fun to look at and always fun to play with

MK

bleh
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bwahahahhaahhaahahahahahahhaa way to complete the analogy. hilarious

jterp
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different strokes for different folks -- I like both -- for different reasons and applications. I strongly disagree with the sentiment that Ameircan cars are in any way inferior -- but if that feeling gets you through the day then go for it. I personally feel that european cars are overly complicated and not very 'user friendly' when it comes to the average joe trying to work on them himself ... but that is obviously not an end all deterrant.

Edited to say: DCVenom where are you from ? Obviously pretty close.. can I drive the viper sometime?

:D

thepolarfoxqx
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lol

american cars are inferior in some ways - just like every other car

and 40 years ago the whole world wanted american cars, they were the best - that has changed and i dont like it.

jterp
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40 years ago America had enemies injust about every other country too.

All cars have flaws -- you are correct. I meant to say that American cars are not flawed simply because they are american.

dcvenom
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chantilly VA, office in McLean, Sure

jterp
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-- right down the road!! Ever take the viper to any local track events? Summit Point (in WV) is always a good time.

LateNightCable
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Unless you're giving out free Viper drive tickets, take this little conversation to private message. :D

Although I must say I do enjoy seeing a blind date in the making. :wink:

jterp
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You're right -- back on topic -- so we all agree, right? American cars= better right?

:D:D

LateNightCable
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Well, I can't think of any old foreign jobs I would rather drive than an old Cadillac. :)

makara
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chantilly VA, office in McLean, Sure

Hey, DCVenom, you've got a final edition too? I have #201. Do you go to viperalley.com?

alexshelby427
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I think that refinement is a good thing when we're talking wine, paintings or Brian Boitano. :) But for me a sportscar means an overheated interior(see a viper's rt10 side pipes), tons of oversteer to play and deal with, engine vibrations and 100+ decibels of engine.As long as these are in a car it won't matter if it's a pornstar or a supermodel if it peaks at 6 or 10.000 RPM.Hello to you all..we'll meet again.

LateNightCable
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Hello Alexshelby, welcome to the forums. :)

About the German/Italian cars' being supermodels, and American cars being porn stars, which is a very good way to put it by the way - I always wonder why everyone in porno is considered a " star ". You do one porno that is seen by 10 horny people on late night Cinemax and all of a sudden you're a star?

I think the best of both worlds would be a car with supermodel looks ( Lamborghini ), motherlike qualities ( station wagon ), with porn star ability ( Viper ). But then, we would be looking at one unusual car. :wink: As in real life, it may not be that common, but it's probably around somewhere.

alexshelby427
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You're right.It would be an unusual car and it will be ceratinly a close to perfection one.However me and I think that most of you outhere likes a pure one-sided supercar (4x4,sportscar etc.) to a good but a compromise solution like SUVs or the new UGLY crossovers like the B,D & R Class of "3-stared" perfectionists from Sindelfingen, Germany.I just like horses and donkey and not mules.The Viper is certainly the best porno-star but for me the supermodel means Porsche as Lamborgini has some pornstar abilities under that old Marcello Gandini new Luc Donckerwolke designed body. :P By the way I consider the Diablo more beautiful than the Murcielago not to mention the Gallardo.I am a classical Lamborghini fan admiring the Miura , Jalpa , Uracco & CO. and not the new belgium-german creations which have something evil in them but they have lost that TOUCH :P of " I'm the DIABLO coming all the way from of SAINT and I repeat SAINT Agatha Bolognese to kick your ass " :P Yes....they do that but they also have Audi's A8 swithces and buttons that don't exactly match the car's personality.Going overseas (i'm from Romania) I think that americans thave 2 icons : Mustang and Corvette.I love '64-'67 Mustangs as being true pony cars (not the later Mach and Boss) and I think Corvette is a pretty European-suspensioned car with great acceleration.The new '05 Mustang seems all right but come on Ford guys: rear live axle just doesn't scream agility and sportivness at me.(still probably although they deny that '78 Fox solid axle :P).C6 is good...perhaps the front is a bit bio-designed but the car is overall OK.The Viper is not such a Viper anymore but still a pornstar.My american fav.Bye :lol:

LateNightCable
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The new '05 Mustang seems all right but come on Ford guys: rear live axle just doesn't scream agility and sportivness at me.(still probably although they deny that '78 Fox solid axle:P)

The live rear axle is retained not because the engineers are numbskulls, but because it is simple and low cost, and also because many Mustang loyalists' insist on that layout, for it's straight track performance.

The muscle bound SVT Cobra gets an independant rear suspension. And the Fox platform is no longer used - as of '05, it's completely new.

thepolarfoxqx
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completely new, but sharing 70% of itself with T-Bird and Lincoln LS (as well as a few jaguars). The beam axle is sad, even camaro has had indapendant rear supsension for a while.

You have to drive a mustang to understand how bad that rear suspension really is. It is the worst part of what would otherwise be a pretty fun and decent car. How much money are they really saving, whatever it is, it isn't worth it.

thepolarfoxqx
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the only european car i know with an 8 liter engine goes 250 miles and hour and gets to 140 in 10 secconds. The at the limits of the viper are better, it's a lot harder to get the viper to its limits than it is the viper, anyone whose driven them can tell you that. I like the audi tt a lot. there is more to a car than its engine and how fast it rolls down a quarter mile. stuff like style and the feel of the car, how you feel in it, or i could be wrong, seeing as i don't know anything.

and i don't need to work for ferrari, logic is the providence of anyone with a mind willing to use it.

LateNightCable
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Some of that doesn't make any sense, what subject is this post refering to?

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