Information on the Viper please.

[GIR]

the 911 turbo will take the viper off the line due to AWD

Uuum I'm sorry what?! The 911 Turbo can take a Viper just because it has AWD? An AWD car requires alot more power then a 2WD car, hence you have to get it rolling gently or else you'll stall the engine (or with highpower engines slip the clutch). The fact that it has AWD and can take the Viper sais just about enough.

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[makara]

Uuum I'm sorry what?! The 911 Turbo can take a Viper just because it has AWD? An AWD car requires alot more power then a 2WD car, hence you have to get it rolling gently or else you'll stall the engine (or with highpower engines slip the clutch). The fact that it has AWD and can take the Viper sais just about enough.

Stall the engine? Hahahaha, you are pretty funny. With your torqueless wonders perhaps. I believe it was motor trend that said to get their acceleration numbers for the 911 turbo, they had to do 5000 rpm clutch drops. You can't do that in a viper on street tires. On street tires, the 911 turbo will take a viper out of the hole because of traction, much of which is aided by AWD.

[GIR]

Stall the engine? Hahahaha, you are pretty funny. With your torqueless wonders perhaps. I believe it was motor trend that said to get their acceleration numbers for the 911 turbo, they had to do 5000 rpm clutch drops. You can't do that in a viper on street tires. On street tires, the 911 turbo will take a viper out of the hole because of traction, much of which is aided by AWD.

An AWD car requires alot more power then a 2WD car, hence you have to get it rolling gently or else you'll stall the engine (or with highpower engines slip the clutch).

You should learn howto read cause I said you'd stall the engine or with high powered engines (I'm sure a Porsche qualifies as a highpowered engine) slip the clutch. You do know what a clutch is right?

The only thing AWD does is give the car more stability, it doesn't make the car go faster, infact it's more power consuming so it makes it go slower. 2 differentials and a heavier more complex drivetrain account for more loss and weigth gain. The fact that it has more traction is the reason why you need to get the car rolling gently before flooring it. If you don't you can roll by the dealer every few miles for a new cluthplate.

Once again, the fact that it has AWD and can take on a Viper sais enough.

[thepolarfoxqx]

look at the rear wheel drive naturally aspirated 3.6L GT3, that takes a viper.

Now, if you made viper's 8.3L engine as efficient as the porsche's "torqueless wonder", it would make 876hp. Gee, that is more than a twin turbocharged Hennessey Venom 800 isn't it? Darn.

What you don't realize about "toruqeless engines" is that quite often these engines have very flat torque curves, but rev very high, which gives them a low torque figure. This is where gearing comes in.

That is how a honda S2000 with 153ft/lb of torque beats a ford mustang gt with 302, and less than 100lbs of weight difference between them.

[makara]

You should learn howto read cause I said you'd stall the engine or with high powered engines (I'm sure a Porsche qualifies as a highpowered engine) slip the clutch. You do know what a clutch is right?

The only thing AWD does is give the car more stability, it doesn't make the car go faster, infact it's more power consuming so it makes it go slower. 2 differentials and a heavier more complex drivetrain account for more loss and weigth gain. The fact that it has more traction is the reason why you need to get the car rolling gently before flooring it. If you don't you can roll by the dealer every few miles for a new cluthplate.

Once again, the fact that it has AWD and can take on a Viper sais enough.

You are telling me to learn to read? I said that the AWD has more parasitic drag. I said that to get the fastest runs in the 911 turbo (in I believe was motor trend) 5000 rpm clutch drops were made. Like you said, that is tough on the car, but that is what is required to get the best numbers out of the turbo. I also said that the 911 turbo will beat the viper out of the hole with street tires. I didn't say it was faster, I said you can launch it harder. It's very low first gear and AWD aids it in that hard launch. In the process, you are being very hard on the car and the AWD is a handicapt once traction is established. I'm done. Talking to a wall is a bore.

[GIR]

You are telling me to learn to read? I said that the AWD has more parasitic drag. I said that to get the fastest runs in the 911 turbo (in I believe was motor trend) 5000 rpm clutch drops were made. Like you said, that is tough on the car, but that is what is required to get the best numbers out of the turbo. I also said that the 911 turbo will beat the viper out of the hole with street tires. I didn't say it was faster, I said you can launch it harder. It's very low first gear and AWD aids it in that hard launch. In the process, you are being very hard on the car and the AWD is a handicapt once traction is established. I'm done. Talking to a wall is a bore.

Thank you for repeating me.

Slipping the clutch is the worste thing you could do to a car, I'm supprised motor trend would eve consider doing a thing like that.

So you start to realize that superior engineering will beat dropping the biggest engine into a car. Next step will be to let you realize how this impacts handeling and why the Viper is a bad car. We're making progress here.

We're talking stock vs. stock here. If you want a add some turbo or some sort to your Viper and make it go faster that's your bussiness.

And oh, with a 0-100km/h of just 3.9 secs and a topspeed of 305km/h (which is a little bit more then the Viper) the 911 turbo is a faster car.

[thepolarfoxqx]

oh, we've bored the poor thing. perhaps this is why school teachers have such a high burnout rate?

I think i've tried explaining this.

On street tires, on street tires, well guess what, when you drive on the street, i'm afraid that is your only real option.

porshce specifically developed a ceramic compound clutch just to deal with the stress of all wheel drive drops. Their clutch survives them suprisingly well.

What is this short gearing you are talking about, 1st gets you well past 40 in 911 turbo, seccond gets you to within spitting range of 80, that isn't all that short.

i believe because of the rear engine rear transaxle layout, there is no more parasitic drag off the all wheel drive over the layout used by the viper. Furthermore, yes, the extra diffs are more weight, just the same, it weighs in even with a viper.

[GBR]

I found this site, and i came upon this thread, and the ignorance on this thread was enough for me to become a member, ive seen enough of this viper talk, i love porsche's and i will not allow this viper idiotic non-sense talk go on, a Viper IS NOT faster than the 911 turbo i have to get my say in WITH numbers to prove my point, here they are.

2002 Viper GTS Final Edition:

Curb Weight: 3460 lbs

Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5200 rpm

Torque: 490 lb-ft @ 3700 rpm

0-60 mph: 4.0 sec

0-100 mph: 9.6 sec

Quarter Mile: 12.2 sec @ 122 mph

Top Speed: 192 mph

97 Porsche 911 Turbo S:

Curb Weight: 3490 lbs

Horsepower: 424 bhp @ 5750 rpm

Torque: 400 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm

0-60 mph: 3.6 sec

0-100 mph: 9.4 sec

Quarter Mile: 11.7 sec @ 123 mph

Top Speed: 184 mph

So with that being, the 911 is 30lbs heavier, has 26 less hp 90 less torque, yet it still out performs the viper on the 1320, yes it may have a lower top speed, but its guaranteed to get there faster, and as for on the track and handling term's, i dont need numbers, its only obvious and well known a porsche can handle, and most definetly out handle the viper, and on the track the corvette will and has out handled the viper, as ive seen numerous times on Best Motoring video's, they also have a video highlighted "SuperCar Showdown" its about testing the top cars from around the world, and and guess what, the Viper wasnt included, it was the Corvette Z06, any who, prove my point?

[thepolarfoxqx]

i love you.

[LateNightCable]

They had no Viper probably because everybody has seen it before, and they wanted to showcase the newest meat on the grill ( ZO6 ). Thats' car mags for you.

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[thepolarfoxqx]

just the same, Z06 is a full rounded world class sports car, it can compete against the world's best in the segment on all playing fields, Viper just can't do that. Viper seems like less of a car for more money if you ask me, i guess that explains why corvette massively outsells it (the few viper sales are those people who go "OOOOH HUGE V10!!!! COOOOL!"

[LateNightCable]

In terms of sales you have to consider that the Viper is largely hand built, and the Corvette is a full on production car, not that the Viper is'nt being pumped out in large quantities, but the Vette does not hold the " exotic " status of the Viper, plus it's a good $20,000 or more cheaper. Thats' why Corvette massively out-sells Viper.

I'm sure there are a great deal of Corvette people who would spring for a Viper if it was the price of a ZO6. But it is true that a big selling point for the Dodge is that it's a HUGE V-10, afterall, wheather it's well rounded or not, who buys exotic cars for their practicality?

[GBR]

They had no Viper probably because everybody has seen it before, and they wanted to showcase the newest meat on the grill ( ZO6 ). Thats' car mags for you.

no, no and no, first off the video was done by Best Motoring, second the drivers were all Japanese(or were atleast asian and didnt speak any english)and the video was recorded in Japan it was all about top cars from around the world, and thirdly Best Motoring is not a car magazine, so that excludes that one out of the picture, sorry but there are no excuse's here, and i made an error, it wasnt the Corvette Z06, no but it was the EVEN faster model, it was the Corvette Z51, and just for the record the Z51 took a measly(sp?) last place while racing against(in order from the race positions they took in the race)Porsche 996 Turbo, Nissan Skyling GT-R R34 Vspec II, Mistubishi Lancer Evo VII, Honda Nsx Type S, Ferrari 360 Modena and last was the Corvette Z51. **NOTE** the 360 Modena was in 3rd for awhile, only lost track position due to tire wear, and considering it was RWD. (all cars were tested as they come from the factory)

[thepolarfoxqx]

just the same, Even if they could mass produce the viper, it would never sell like corvette, firstly because it isn't a "corvette', seccondly, at Z06's price, Z06 would easily outsell it for a simple reason. You can drive your Z06 every day of the year, it's active handling system takes care of traction in poor weather, the ride is compliant enough it is comfortable, it is roomy and habitable, the viper is loud, unbearably hot (seriously, viper cockpits are RT, roasty toasty) and the ride is awful. You can get nearly 30mpg on the highway in your vette, 20 would be awsome for your viper. The viper isn't even noticibly faster, .1 seccond faster to sixty. Viper is uncomfortable and insurance is ball busting, yes vette is bad, viper is deadly for insurance. You give up 50% of liveability to get 5% performance to go from vette z06 to viper, who's taking up that deal?

[LateNightCable]

Showoffs looking for a steaming hot exotic with a bad ride, a big engine, and exclusivity, thats' who.

Best Motoring probably couldn't get their hands on a Viper for whatever reason, I doubt they would have excluded it.

[thepolarfoxqx]

yeah, cocky jerks who need compensation - we present the dodge viper.

[LateNightCable]

We're having fun with the Viper, but seriously, as an overall package, the Viper works. Every car goes about it's business a little differently, in the case of Viper, alot differently; perhaps more than what is fashionable if you're talking pure tech.

Thats' one of the great things about the car world. We can debate about which ones are better than others, but in the end they're all an important part of the landscape, they make it colorful. - Okay, maybe not the Aztec, and most of the junk from VW

[thepolarfoxqx]

everything chrysler has done lately has impressed me, with the exception of the viper. If they wanted to make it a practical and driveable car, perhaps smaller, more refined, and perhaps even comfortably driveable, put their great hemi 5.7L in there, they'd have a hell of a car.

What they have now is expensive and uncomfortable compared to cars of similar performance (Z06)

It is a very high performance vehicle, I just don't think it is anywhere near top of the market. To me it is in the same place as Acura NSX (which is the opposite, too liveable and refined, not violent enough). Too extreme.

VW needs to go away.

[LateNightCable]

Speaking of performance, I was at the grocery store last night and decided to skim through one of those urban magazines, and there was an interview with a popular rap producer, I won't bother mentioning his name. He was talking about his car collection, and the interview was so uneducated and stupid it was hilarious. In fact, the producer refering to the H2 as " them shits " is about the only thing he got right.

We are fortunate that most of the active members of this site are serious and knowlageable about cars, instead of the 24" rim, big pimpin' silliness that was embodied in that interview. A really funny part went something like this ...

Producer - " When it's rainin' and stormin', I just take the Hummer and be

like f*** it. "

Magazine - " Those H2s' only go about 80 don't they? "

Producer - " Naw, them shits' is fast, they go like 120 or somethin'. "

Magazine - " You sure? "

Producer - ( walks over to truck, opens door and points to

speedometer ) " See, what I tell you son, 120. "

I know the H2 is limited to less than 100 and I dont' even own one of them shits!

Oh, and in his own words that fool spent " damn near $200,000 " going crazy on his 350Z! Say it with me all together now - KNUCKLEHEAD!

[thepolarfoxqx]

to some people a car is an extension of themself.

To other people with too much money, it is statement.

[Metfanant]

i had never even heard of these forums until running a search looking for a back issue of Motor Trend but i needed to register because of some of the total BS being spread around here.....

....The Dodge Viper....how can people continue to bash this car??...how can you argue with a car that sprints to 60 in less than 4 seconds(3.9 MT June '03) and runs the quarter is 11.77 seoncds(same issue)??? a convertable that runs through the slalom at 70+mph!!! and stops from 60mph in 97ft!!!! that beats the damn Mosler(racecar) with slicks!!!....and it wasnt just the new SRT that was this fast. Awhile back GM high tech performance tried to rig a test so the Z06 would look faster than the Viper...the used an Rt/10 Viper against the Z06(knowing the GTS Coupe is the better Viper) well Drag racing specialist Evan Smith blew their chances by ripping off an 11.7 and change time in a totally stock RT/10....Vipers also handle AMAZING...just most people are not capable enough drivers to take the car to its limits unlike the 911 or Corvette which give you all sorts of electronic gadgets that drive the car for you....and how can you argue with a car that carries the racing heritage of the Viper....a car that was put into production in 1992, and started racing in 1996 won the 96-97 FIA GT2 series 98-99-00 ALMS series(winning EVERY race but 1 during that time) back-to-back-to-back class wins at Lemans, the overall at Daytona (before the Vette guys did it) and the only reason the Corvettes are currently winning is because after 2000 Chrysler pulled factory support from the program so they stopped racing.

...who said slipping the clutch was the worst thing to do for a car?? you know NOTHING about drag racing do ya??...there are a few things slipping the clutch does....first it can save your rear end(if running slicks) from the massive abuse a high RPM clutch drop will dish out and if on street tires, a clutch dump will cause either a bog(launch from too low) or wheel spin(launch from too high) which are AWFUL for drag racing....

...about the 911 Turbo...take one to the track a few times and see how many times you run a 3.9 0-60 time....wont be too many cuz the differentials will EXPLODE because AWD cars are just not meant to throw down lots of power with the sudden impact of a clutch dump....now MT tested the 911 turbo X50 which is the upgraded turbo...it beat the Viper to 60mph(3.7 vs 3.9) but the Viper beats it in 1/4 mile time, slalom speed,0-100-0, and braking lol which is turning out to be the better overall performer??....i will bring up Nurburgring lap times for the Viper and 911 to make another point....the 996 turbo laps the course in 7:56 the 993 turbo lapped the course in 8:12 and the CHRYSLER Viper lapped the course in 8:10...but since it was the Chrysler Viper with only 415hp and NO-ABS i have no problem believing that first off a US spec car (pre 2001) with the 35 extra hp would have been able to lap the course around 8 flat. Post 2001 cars with ABS im sure would lap faster than 8mins....and now the SRT-10 with 50 more horsepower than that, also handles better, accelerates better, brakes better the whole 9 would EASILY lap "the ring" faster than a 911 Turbo....

...and about the M5...are we talking about the same M5 that runs low 13's in the 1/4??? off the top of my head i think MT ran a 13.08 or something of the sort when they drove it against one of the Benzes....so idk where your thinking an M5 is running in the low 12's....unless your talking about the older Gen 2 castrated european Vipers which only had 415hp compared to the US-spec car which had 450.....

the Corvette is NOT within .1 seconds of the Viper....the Z06 on average runs a 4.3 or so 0-60 time and a low 12 (12.3-12.4) 1/4 time...ive seen AMAZING drivers rip an 11.9 but sticking soley to magazine tests(like i did for the Viper numbers) the Z06 is about a half second slower down the 1320 than the Viper.....oh and who the F said the Z51 or whatever was faster than the Z06??...thats crap and a half...isnt that just the suspension upgrade kit from Chevy, with the magnetic shocks or something?? and it doesnt even come on the Z06 its on the run of the mill 350hp C5...so that test is ghey!!!!....and the viper is NOT THAT HOT....idk where you people get this from...sure its more heat that a B16 Honda motor makes but its also 7 times the size....turn the AC on and you dont even notice the heat from the motor.....and there are PLENTY of Viper owners who drive their cars everyday and love them...

.....HP/L....what a bogus stat....it really is something used by the guys who s motor doesnt make as much power so then blames it on the fact that his motor is smaller...is 500hp all Dodge can get out of the Viper's V10?? HELL NO...if they wanted to build an 830hp naturally aspirated 8.3L V10 so they could have 100hp/l they could...BUT THEY DONT NEED 2!!...it already outperforms the 911 turbo, Ferrari 360, Ferrari 550(even the 575), Honda/Acura NSX Type-R, the AM Vantage, DB9, whatever...for fractions of the cost...so why do they need to even try and get more power out of it??

and about the 5.7: Hemi...what impresses you about that motor and why should it be in the Viper??...the Hemi is a marketing gimick that Chrysler brought back to sell cars...the Hemisperical combustion chamber was high tech, and impressive back in the 70's but its nothing special today....the Viper's engine is a much better design than the new Hemi motors....

Anthony

[skyline_r34v]

Well i agree on u with nearly every post jus wished u could make it EASIER to read. It's hard tryin 2 keep syphon out the words from the mass that u created.

I agree, ppl bash the Viper for alot of things when it beats the shit outta cars they love and get mad cuz it's american muscle and not a true exotic.

Personally, i've already stated this matter lots of times, I HATE american muscle cuz they are sum of the most inefficient POS on the face of this planet.

But i love the Viper, it's a rugged design with amazin speed and quickness for under $90,000. It handles gr8 (i know i drove the lesser handlin RT-10) and it's beatin the competition in speed and quickness for either half of the money or by a gr8 margin.

I love the Ferrari 360 Modena F1, have stated that numerous times be4, but i'm not gonna dis the Viper jus becuz it's faster down the strip and on the track.

What other car can be in production for 10 years and set multiple quickness records, win LeMans championships or basically win as much as it has with the price it's for??

Only thing i don't agree with the design of the Viper is the displacement is WAY to high. They could create the same engine with the same specs for 2.5L's less. Although, that wouldn't make it easy 2 tune for Hennessey upto 1,200hp but having a more sophisticated and practical engine would be AWESOME and still able to tune upto 800hp.

The looks of the viper smash the Z06 and looks like an American exotic. How many American exotic's do we have til this date, let's see (1) Dodge Viper series, (2) Ford GT-40 series, (3) Ford GT-90, (4) Saleen S7 and (5) all the Vector cars.

Those are 5 exotic's from America which half of those aren't either in production or production ended. The Dodge Viper, Ford GT and Saleen S7 r the only exotic's we have and NEITHER suck so i don't know y everybody insists on dissin the Viper. It's DEFINITELY not a bad car but nobody said it was the gr8est. I mean it even beats the Ferrari 360 Challenge stradelle in every category except maybe weight, exotic appeal (looks) and slalom speed.

So my question is, wat's everybodies deal bout dissing the viper sayin it's not a gr8 car. Get a grip ppl, it maybe american muscle but it's still a damn good car.

[bleh]

i know this statistic is for the older viper but still..

2002 Dodge Viper RT/10 Roadster (with top on) .45

http://www.darklair.com/cd.htmli lost a lot of respect for dodge with that

[skyline_r34v]

Why would they have VW beetle and Ford Mustang and not the Eclipse?

The eclipse has a CD of .30

[Metfanant]

Well i agree on u with nearly every post.........

i do apologize for the AWFUL grammar in that post...it was more a stream of thougt thing then anything else...just info/opinions streaming from my brain trough the keyboard onto the screen....again i aplogize. Now moving onto the displacement. Yes, i agree that the Viper could get the job done with MUCH less displacement. BUT the thing with the 8.0L(488) and now the 8.3L(505) is, it's just a part of the cars image...MASSIVE V10 engine in a relativly light chassis with more torque then you know what to do with. Chrysler could have built a 5-6L motor similar to the Carrera GT motor(and even keep the V10) especially with owning Lamborghini at the time the Viper motor was designed(contrary to popular belief Lambo did NOT design the Viper engine). But they wanted something outrageous...They wanted the car to stand out and be entirely American. Now what better way to stand out in an industry that everyday is making technological advances, then with a seemingly "old school" style pushrod motor(not even touching on the styling). And what is more American then trying to stuff the biggest motor possible under a car's hood? lol....By the way i believe the 8.3L motor was just a marketing gimick. Chrysler was really pushing the 500/500/500 idea with the new Viper(500hp/500lb-ft/500cubic inches). The "old" 8L was obviously PLENTY capable of the 500hp/500tq mark.....

If you're a Viper fan keep your fingers crossed for a surprize at VOI 8(Viper Owners Invitational) in September, rumors are swirling that Dodge will take the covers off the new street coupe at the show there. Rumor has it the car will have 625hp and be lighter and stiffer than the SRT-10....

Anthony