infiniti g35coupe or nissan 350Z?

[djfux69]

i was there, it isnt faster. i have it on video tape, everytime he would downshift i would pull hard and fly by him. the kid wouldnt stop trying though, but everytime i had him. take a look at the gear ratios of the g35.

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[bleh]

well you have to figure that both cars are nearly identical low end

you own the car. i dont know how you could be so wrong. have you not tested your limited slip? or maybe you havent driven the g35? the spring rates are noticeably softer on the g35 and the g35 does not have a limited slip. it may not make that big of a difference on the track in a straight line, but on regular roads? you definitely havent driven the g35. there is a difference low end and the z takes it.

should be faster

should be but isnt. whole lot of speculation.

acceleration is Force/(mass+(drag^2)

if your going to bring in the formulas then why dont you bring in the numbers? tell us the difference between the z and g35 also the mass (how much heavier is the g35) and the force(the gear ratios effect the torqe remember?)

the .3 second difference to sixty could be more than absorbed in a mere few hundred dollars of easy bolt-ons

if your going to bring money into it the g35 is more expensive and so are all of the boltons. now these boltons can also be put on the z and the z will still be faster.

the folding back seat, larger trunk, and superior exterior you can't add to the 350Z

superior exterior is so subjective. i think the z looks much more agressive and attractive. as for the rest: add it to the boxter and tell me how it drives.

fox, it really seems as if you enjoy disagreeing with fux? am i looking too far into this internet interaction?

back to the post though. if this will be the only car get the g35 if it is not then get the z. the z is faster and the g35 is relatively practical.

[djfux69]

no i havent driven the g35 but i hardly think that .3 seconds is noticable. i know my car is faster, i just said nearly identicle low end because there probably isnt a huge noticable difference.

[thepolarfoxqx]

alright, what i meant to say is that the G35 has a better interior, not exterior.

G35: Coefficient of drag: .27

4th gear (we'll use 5th for the high speed comparo): 1:1

rear diff: 3.538

multiplyed through: 3.538

Torque: 270ft/lb at 4,800 (we'll just use peak torque on both - they fall at the same number of rpms - so its fair)

mass: 3435lb

(tire: 225/45/18)

350Z

coefficient of drag .30

4th gear: 1:1

rear diff: 3.538

mult through: 3.358

torque: 274 @ 4,800

mass: 3,225

tire (225/45/18)

Ok, in 5th gear at 4,800rpms, you are travelling approximately 105mph.

I will neglect to factor in the wheel diameter into the torque conversion (too much work) but since the tire diameter is identical between them, it will make no comparative difference in the result) Also, all numbers must be metric before it works. So after lots of number crunching on my HP 48Gx (Reverse Polish Notation - Oh Yeah!)

and many automatic unit conversions, we come to this.

At 105mph, in 5th gear, at peak torque (4,800rpms) in both cars, accleration factors to:

.333696 on the G35

and

.32567 on the 350Z

So, yeah, the G35 is in hard numbers faster (barring some sort of bizarre phenomenon taking place). Not by that much.

ok, .333696 is greater than .32567

not by much, but it is. yup.

[djfux69]

interesting, i definetly ripped him though. like it was sad, i would give him a head start, then walk right by him. oh and by the way cd of the 350 is .29, and the g35 is .28, only with the aero package though, i dont remember if he had the wing, he should have though since he had the brembos. nice mathamatical skills by the way.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i thought you said you didn't have the track version of the 350Z. Only the track version of the 350Z is .29. All other trims are .30.

Drag on G35 with the aero package comes out to .275. You could correctly round up, or do like me an truncate. Either way, it works out that in 5th gear at 105mph, a 350Z shouldn't blow by a G35.

[djfux69]

my mistake, i thought the z was .28,.29.. and the infiniti i knew was .28, .27. either way i definetly pulled. i have heard of them dynoing stock 350s at a t show around here and they dynoed from 225-255 stock. maybe i have one of the higher ones? how could something like this happen though?

[thepolarfoxqx]

well, since the engine is mechanically the same between the two cars (only difference is the computer on the 350Z is tuned a bit higher on the fuel map), you have the same transmission, same differential ratio, there shouldn't be much difference. There is, as you said the possibility that their production is yet to get 100% product quality parity, so some, for some reason are more powerful - and yours is one of them, and his is not. Also, he could have just been a really bad driver. Go with that yours is just one of the better production samples - and he got shafted and bought one that was on the low end.

[djfux69]

ill do that thanks man. now i need to find one again and see..... they always seem to find me when im on the parkway, maybe ill go for a road trip.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i don't have trouble finding people to race when I'm in philly.

When I'm in the boxster S, people expect me to beat them (except the moronic kid in civic, who thinks somehow his body kit makes his economy car faster - shutting him down never stops being fun)

but in the jaguar, i suprise a lot people. that is quality fun. i have to find them though.

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[LateNightCable]

The G35 and 350Z are a little too alike. The Infiniti is very racy for a " luxury " coupe, but the Nissan could stand to tighten it's focus some more and maybe gain a couple of optional turbos.

It's funny how the rear of the 350Z roadster reminds me of the rounded back of a 1930's of 40's convertable.

PolarFox, don't get too crazy in that Boxter, sometime you might come across a hatchback thats' packing real heat. They just love to blow off guys in expensive cars.

[thepolarfoxqx]

not through the curves they won't.

[bleh]

not through the curves they won't.

tell me what the CIVIC delsol si does on the skid pad. now imagine it with tires that are 2in wider with performance treads on lighter rims; progressive race springs, racing struts, and the rest of the suspension work done properly; with a few hundred lbs gutted; and an integra type r engine which is roughly 70lbs more than the stock civic engine and 60+ more hp. there is a reason ride quality is uncomfortable. some do need comfort others dont care.

unfortunately there are a lot of kids out there who dont know what they are doing and think their car is fast. however, there are those who know what they are doing.

They just love to blow off guys in expensive cars.

traslation: they love taking down cocky porche drivers in their rice rockets.

there will be a few civics who will beat you. at least your not biased against japanese cars...

[SERGIOE34]

idont know why anyone whould put that much money into a cheap japanese economy car.with the money they spend they could actualy buy a real car with good preformence and character.no civic has the character and passion of a porche nomatter how fast it isor good it handles.

[GIR]

The thing is that when somebody takes the time to properly tune a car then the outcome can be really nice, but most ot the time people just put ductape on their cars, cut holes in the bodypanels and attach fake plastic inlets, stuff like that. The funniest thing I ever saw was a Brabus sticker on a Civic with hubcaps, the car also had a huge sticker on it that said "Badboys 4 live". I laughed and laughed for days.

People who do those kinda things should be prohibited from ever owning or operating a vehicle.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i had a guy with an intercooler sticker (looks like an I/C) in his airdam on his civic, about 2,000 worth of lights wanting to race me. I left smoke in his face. People who do crap like that really should be fined.

[bleh]

idont know why anyone whould put that much money into a cheap japanese economy car.with the money they spend they could actualy buy a real car with good preformence and character.no civic has the character and passion of a porche nomatter how fast it isor good it handles.

if you want to change the subject to character then yes the porsche has more of that but there most definitely are civics out there that are superior to some porsches along the lines of performance. people buy cheap japanese economy cars because the are affordable. no brainer. some are vain and waste the money on dumb things and give me a bad name. it is very very hard for a civic owner to spend over 40g on his car, including the price of the car. now if it was a wise spender you could have a 20g car, no it doesnt have character or prestige, but that can keep up with porsches.

i had a guy with an intercooler sticker (looks like an I/C) in his airdam on his civic, about 2,000 worth of lights wanting to race me. I left smoke in his face. People who do crap like that really should be fined.

most of the fast civic drivers i know leave their car entirely un advertised. meaning no stickers, no crazy paint job, no body kit, no wing, no tint, no sound system, no lights, no chrome, no after market taillights(my biggest peeve), and very discretely placed gauges. i wouldnt worry about them getting fined though. they already do pay a little extra indirectly out here. cops dont like flashy cars and tend to be very merciless out here on the blatant ricers.

The thing is that when somebody takes the time to properly tune a car then the outcome can be really nice, but most ot the time people just put ductape on their cars, cut holes in the bodypanels and attach fake plastic inlets, stuff like that. The funniest thing I ever saw was a Brabus sticker on a Civic with hubcaps, the car also had a huge sticker on it that said "Badboys 4 live". I laughed and laughed for days.

that is exactly my angle on this. i hate banners too. the funniest ones are 6in high banner on the windsheild that says the name of the car, i.e.: "ECLIPSE" or "FOCUS". you know, just incase i wouldve confused it with a lamborghini?

[thepolarfoxqx]

the difference, the porsche will reliably give you that performance every day, never so much as a hickup. A civic made to do a 5.2 seccond 0-60 will burn something out quickly. to me, the feel of the car is half of the deal, i could be wrong, but i'd take a slower bmw or porsche to some violent car with no feel anyday.

and i get tempted to break those altazas on cars, taillights bug me too.

the park bench spoiler is worse than them all though.

[bleh]

the park bench spoiler is worse than them all though.

EXCELLENT description.

with the right precautions a civic can be very fast with stock reliability. you just really need to know what you are doing and spend the extra pennies. it will not be comfortable but some people dont care.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i know some people don't care. in fact, somehow they are all my freinds. I like to do my racing in comfort, so.......

i don't like the way people tune civics. easy as that.

[sebastian2]

the Z-car is nice . de infiniti is wise

[SPD_JNKY]

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BOTH CARS HAVE THE SAME BASE BUT DIFFERENT BODYS , SO WITH THAT SAID I WOULD HAVE TO GO WITH THE 350 JUST BECAUSE IT STANDS APART FROM ALL OTHER CARS BETTER THAN THE INFINITY DOES. O[]xxxxx[]:::::::::::::::::::::::>(<--------disagreements go here)

[sebastian2]

nissan 350 Z nismo

[izzyloveslizzy]

The 350Z looks like it's mpre ready for the aftermarket, but the Infiniti is the more proper of the two (overall). I'd probably go with the Infiniti.

[skyline_r34v]

alright, what i meant to say is that the G35 has a better interior, not exterior.

G35: Coefficient of drag: .27

4th gear (we'll use 5th for the high speed comparo): 1:1

rear diff: 3.538

multiplyed through: 3.538

Torque: 270ft/lb at 4,800 (we'll just use peak torque on both - they fall at the same number of rpms - so its fair)

mass: 3435lb

(tire: 225/45/18)

350Z

coefficient of drag .30

4th gear: 1:1

rear diff: 3.538

mult through: 3.358

torque: 274 @ 4,800

mass: 3,225

tire (225/45/18)

sry 4 ignorance but how does a car that weights 200lbs HEAVIER with 7hp LESS be as quick or newhere near the power of a car that is lighter and more powerful??? wouldn't it be a 0.4 sec different interval in 1/4miles and be lesser of the 2 in gettin upto the top end speed faster?