Koenigegg cc

[Seb2]

Today i saw a Koenigegg cc i must say its awesome looking. I dont think many cars can compete with the look. Performance is if not the best one of the best productions in the world. I think im inlove. What do you guys think about the car?.

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[Gast RolandK]

I know someone who knows this car. He told me that the quality is not very good. He saw the car and that's his opinion.

I don't know. Haven't seen it yet.

Roland

[Shaunt]

Wow, I'd go nuts if I ever see one.

It's cool to know that the creator is only 29 years old.

I like the looks of it, it is very futuristic from the sides.

I recently read in the European Car mag that the creator of the car was going to challenge the McLaren'd production car record. It was stated that the car hit 236 mph.

[Seb2]

Roland everything looks very thin. The seats are very cool one small layer of carbonfire. I think that they cant sell a car for more then 300 000$ with bad quality its must be as good as it can get with low weight.

When the swedish tv program "Motorjournalen" tested the egg they said in the end that they going to test the top speed in one later program. Motorjournalen is a Top Gear inspired program with racing driver as test driver. He manage 335km/h on autobahn with Porsche 996 GT2. Im realy looking forward to that program.

[Gast TORSEN TRACTION]

if it is the 2001 series i think its great looking and preforming car

it uses a torsen which helps it create the 1.15 lateral Gs

i think the 0-60 is 3.5 sec but the older one was 3.2

its been awhile since i have checked!

but i would buy it great car!!

[Seb2]

Didnt know it handle 1.15 lateral Gs. Do you know wich is the best resulst on any car with a torsen?

[thepolarfoxqx]

I think the swedes finally get their due in the form of thsi car. It handles better than anything else, it is as fast as any car made, and has a go at the worlds fastest spot.

Unfortunately, it is only a 5 speed manual (at least when I last checked), which means that at 225mph, the engine redline and gearing stop it from going faster. With a taller 5th, or a 6th it could easily do it. The 4.6L s/c engine is a tour de force in power. Did you know that C. Von Koenigsegg is designing a flat 12 engine for the egg? Imagine what that will be like. It is also using the advanced Tri- engine management developed by saab.

If I had the money, this would be the car I would by.

Truly, the country that brings us the 155mph family station wagon naturally should bring us the worlds fastest.

[Seb2]

The new Flat engine i thought was a 6-8cylinder he bought the drawings from Italy if i remember right.

[thepolarfoxqx]

For the egg? I know he has built cars before the egg with an italian designed flat 8, but for the Egg, Christian Von Koenigsegg (did you know that guys eyebrows are tatoos? - that is just cool) is designing his new engine for the egg, and it is to be a 12 cylender flat engine - between 5 and 6.5L - I should look into what the latest reports lay the displacement at) - he is aiming to keep the weight at or less than the supercharged V8 (which is actually quite heavy between an Iron block and a large interooler and supercharger). The target horsepower is over 650. It will also lower the cars polar center of inerita (flat engines can have an average mount point lower than a Vee). That should help the skidpad (as if it needed to be any better). The trionic technology developed by saab (considdered by many to be the most advanced and efficent in the world - GM is adapting it to control their new generation of DOHC V6s) is being utilized. The fact he chose to use the trionic system instead of perhaps a bosch or siemens system leads me to believe there may be a forced induction system (trionic completely intregrates boost control). This new car is aimed at being completely swedish in design. Volvo is lending assistance in the desing of the actual engine itself. Over 60 swedish companies are lending a hand in the design and contruction of the Egg - there is no doubt that this will be the world's pre-eminent sports car - those who chastize the quality of the super-egg - like the seats - keep in mind the lack of durability in the seats employed in italian cars. Interiors in swedish cars are typically contemperary in design and exemplary in quality. The final egg should be no different.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Hey where did you say you saw the Koenigsegg CC? On the road? What country?

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Hallo Seb2,

 

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[Seb2]

On a Show in Sweden. But i seen one after that in Stockholm City.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i am so jealous. I would kill to see that car.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Apparently the Car can now be seen in the United Arab Emirates and in Oman as well. Even North America hasn't been graced with the presence of a Koenigsegg CC yet, and there's already Koenigseggs in Arab countries? Damn! Now I'll have to have it imported (when I have enough money, and when out stupid bumper regulations change, and...).

[GIR]

here are some pics

http://community.webshots.com/album/22742695NJUAxdzieM

http://www.allsportauto.com/sportphoto.php3?zl_idMD=803

Kinda looks like a Ferrari wannabe to me.

[Seb2]

here are some pics

http://community.webshots.com/album/22742695NJUAxdzieM

http://www.allsportauto.com/sportphoto.php3?zl_idMD=803

Kinda looks like a Ferrari wannabe to me.

Actually Ferrari did copy the back of the Egg for their Enzo.

[GIR]

I'm talking about the overal design of their cars. You know ever designer has it's specific feats. These cars look alot like a Ferrari.

I don't think the Enzo (2002) and the Egg (2002) backs look alike, altho the Egg back looks alot like a back you'd expect on a Ferrari.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Yeah you're rght Seb. The Enzo was made at least 3 years after the Koenigsegg CC. So now who's copying who, GIR?

[GIR]

Egg buildt in 1998

Ferrari F40 built in 1987

Ferrari F50 built in 1995

Ferrari F512M built in 1994

Ferrari 360 modena built in 2001

Ferrari 360 Spyder built in 2001

Egg buildt in 2000

Ferrari Enzo build in 2002

First off the Enzo and the Egg look nothing alike. Second the overall design of the Egg's look like Ferrari. I admit the 3 drops in the back design of the Enzo and the Egg suggest that they were copied... but the Ferrari 360 out 2001 has the same 3 drops and a few earlier models (like the F50) have similar drops. Also the side if the Egg looks alot like the side of the F40 (and a few other models).

Seeing as the F50 and F40 were made way before the Egg, I guess Egg is trying to copy Ferrari and not vice versa.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Sorry but I don;t see any similarities whtsoever between the Koenigsegg CC and the Ferraris that were built before the Koenigsegg CC. I stand by my word. But I'd like to add that I don't truly believe any of them copied the other.

[GIR]

If you look at the F50 back then you'll see that the Enzo back is an evolved version of this and isn't a copy of the Egg.

I remember seeing a review of this car on TV. The reviewer was disappionted because it had a high price, didn't bring the prestige of a lambo, ferrari or porsche, didn't reach the prommised top speed and didn't deliver a unique driving experience.

I have never seen or driven this car so I can't judge for my self, I do however believe they are trying to emulate Ferrari..

[izzyloveslizzy]

Dude I did look at that, and I tried soooo hard to try to find the similarities you're talking about, but they're just not there. I mean if you're gonna pick any car that has round double or tripple rear lights, I could think of a few too, and some that are so ridiculous you'll get a headache. For example, how about the Chevy Impala? And by the way, come on already, I'm not even trying to defend Lamborghini or Porsche or anyone else by saying this, but they really really didn't emulate Ferraris. If you were going to base your argument on the fact that they all resemble Ferraris, then every sports car out there has something or another that looks somewhat related to some Ferrari of some time or another. You can't just say an Invicta S1, for example, looks like a Ferrari (for whatever reason). Anyway, if you just want to get the last word in that's fine. But even though I like the fact that you're stickin' to your guns and defending your argument and all, I still can't agree with you because I'm looking and I can't see any of the similarities you're talking about (or at least any noticeable ones worth mentioning). And besides, as far as designers copying older designs, every car copies one thing or another from other designs or designers. That's just how it's done. At least in most (99%) of cases. And I do agree with you over the fact that they MIGHT have emulated Ferrari, but I'm not certain about it and therefore won't judge. And also, if you want to use that argument, then I can bring a ridiculous one that's pretty similar to what you're saying: Every Sedan out there is copy of a talbot or Hillman or Ford Old-School Sedan design. And that may be true or not, but I can't agree with you because I don't see others copying Ferrari designs. Especially nowadays when sports-car and super-car and super-sports car makers are trying to steer away from designing Ferrari copies. No one wants to be nkown for having made a lame photocopy of your typical Ferrari. Think about it. And oh, I almost forgot, switching subjects here, since you seem to be a hard-core Ferrari fan, do you know about the next Ferrari concept (the one that is supposed to come after Enzo)? I think I've heard or read about it, but I don't know if there is such a thing in the works right now. I'd appreciate your answer.

[GIR]

First off I'm not a hardcore Ferrari fan. I like cars, I like Merc's the most, I keep tabs on the rest of the world but when it comes to italian sports cars I'd opt for a Lambo over a Ferrari.

That being said in the future could you break your story up in smaller pieces? Makes it more readable.

Okay here we go. I don't mean to get in a flame war over here so this will be the last reply from me in this topic.

Up untill a few days ago I never heard of the Egg (well I did but never gave it much thought), when I saw the topic on this forum I became interested and started a search on the net. I found the pics I posted earlier but when I saw those pics my first impression was "Looks like a Ferrari".

I still believe the overall design of the Egg is very much like a Ferrari (not just specific parts but the whole). Sure both Ferrari and Egg are forced to design certain parts of their cars alike as their is no other ways of doing it. Look at the 2 airducts under te cars, which forces both cars to have 2 indents at the back or the 2 air intakes at the side of the cars which is the optimum place to put airintakes.

What does change per manufacturer is the style of the car. Ferrari and Lambo share the same feats, Merc and BMW also share feats but never in life would someone say that Merc stole their designs from BMW. Why? Because altho they might have the same feats at the same spot... the overall design of the cars look very different.

I think you need to realise that I'm not talking about specific parts about the cars but the overall design, you guyz are talking about a specific part (the back).

[izzyloveslizzy]

First off I'd like to apologize for the unreadablity of my last post (I'll try to improve it here). And as far as some flame war, I don't intend to start one either; I see this as more of a friendly intelligent discussion about an issue over which we disagree.

Second, as I said before, it's not just the back of the car or the whole of it or anything. You just believe there are similarities and I just don't see them (maybe I'm wrong, but I'm trying to logically explain my reasoning).

Part of the reason for why the might look alike in the overall feel, like you said yourself, is because some features have to be the same in order to make the cars more aerodynamic (in the best sense of it, as commonly known to all designers). But that's exactly what I took into consideration when I thought about whether or not they look alike (the "Egg" and the "Ferraris").

So there you have it. If you look at details and specifics (or the whole car with respect to specific design characteristics), you can not logically say one looks like the other or one scopied the design from the other just because of some air intake or lights or anything like that.

These cars are compellingly different when it comes to being different so they are recognizable from each other. Each of these cars are designed to have their own identities. And that's where I think they are different, if you can look past some of the things that are obviously the same because they have to be.

The fact of the mater is this might just be a difference in opinion. Because the first time I saw the "Egg" (as you refer to it), I didn't think it was like any other sports car. The overall feel of the car's image, to me, was that it looked different from anything I had ever seen before that - and I had seen many Sports Cars from many countries prior to that.

And since you already mentioned a good half of this yourself, I guess I'm just rambling on. But that still brings us back to my point; I still stand by my argument (with respect to the evidence we have both provided), that although the overall designs might feel a bit like each other, you can not, as you said yourself, compare them and state that they have the same feel to them because of some air duct or aerodynamicness.

But since at another point in your post you suggested that the overall desgns of the car look different, I guess you're making two contradictory arguments.

And let me be clear about what I think: Both cars have certain parts and design features that, out of neccessity, might have to look similar in order to have the same function, and they may or may not make the overall looks of the cars similar, but even that is still a matter of opinion.

I believe that the cars have been made with different design directions that stand out and give the cars their identities, and as far as that is concerned, it makes my argument valid, because I am talking about the specific features (and not just the back) that cange the overall feel and make the minor similarities between them irrelevant.

In short, the overall feel may change as a result of certain necessary similarties, but the overall look is actually more affected by the specific features of the car, which in my opinion make the cars look different.

But I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion and maybe we can just agree to disagree. And if you don't feel like replyiong again, that's fine. You made your point intelligently and I think you've got some good points. No harm done brother. Thanks for the exchange of opinions and knowledge.

- Peace

[thepolarfoxqx]

due to the unique layout required of top performance supercars, they will naturally bear resemblance to each other, maybe they will take some styling cues from each other, but I feel that pininfarina wil stay true to its roots, koenigsegg will keep his futeristic avante garde style. They may bear some resemblance, but I think both of these companies will stay true to their own style, and think they are above copying each other.

[izzyloveslizzy]

That's what i say PolarFox.