Spy shots of 2007 Toyota Supra.

[bleh]

I'm right or wrong.

looks like youve ruled out most of the possibilities haha i definitely would favor the inline setup. the nastiest engines i know with less than 8 cylinders are inline.

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[Charlie 350 Z]

looks like youve ruled out most of the possibilities haha i definitely would favor the inline setup. the nastiest engines i know with less than 8 cylinders are inline.

It is true but they are expensive to manufacture, and require more adjustments, and they last longer Companies do not want things lasting to long, is not good for the bussiness, also the V model gives you more horse power compared with an in line with the same Specs. now they are good acctually like my father would say, you will have an engine forever( he is a mechanic). Anyway in line engines have their thing and V have theirs is a problem of choice, but they are both good engines. Now forget about the in line six , that is not going to happend, and as I said a V-8 is to much. Japanese cars do not need such a big engine to compete in the market, they can get easily the same power of a Cobra or GT from a nice tuned up V-6. peace

[LateNightCable]

Companies do not want things lasting to long, is not good for the bussiness

Actually it is. In the car business, a reputation for good quality products means a lot. Recalls and warranty claims are not good for business.

also the V model gives you more horse power compared with an in line with the same Specs.

Please explain.

[wEstSide]

He means to say that they need turnaround, which isn't bad in the car market. People always just buy a new car after a few years anyway, so the auto maker has to try and make the customer want to purchase their mark again.

[LateNightCable]

He means to say that they need turnaround, which isn't bad in the car market. People always just buy a new car after a few years anyway, so the auto maker has to try and make the customer want to purchase their mark again.

That's what I think. People will always want new cars no matter what. But designing things to not last too long would serve no higher purpose. That's a completely different thing from say, planned obsolescence.

[bleh]

Please explain.

yea im waiting too.

something to consider is how a car depreciates. that does effect a purchase choice. well at least to those who are savvy.

[Charlie 350 Z]

Actually it is. In the car business, a reputation for good quality products means a lot. Recalls and warranty claims are not good for business.

Please explain.

Hehehe, you are funny my friend. Well let me explain. The six in line production is more expensive to produce because of the amount of space that the engine occupies in the car and in the factory.

Second as you said the V line gives you more power compared to a line desing that is not completely true. The line desing would need more adjustments that the regular V because of his less power ratio per cylinder compared to a V-6. Now the point is not about power is about money. A line six is considered to be the best engine in quality and duration, also is a larger engine therefore you need more metal in the cars to house it in the engine bay and also because it needs to be tunned up slightly different that the V line. Now as I said before is about $, companies will produce an engine that cost less and will give you more performance with less tuning because they want to reduce costs and keep the same sell price or even raise it alledging to the costumers that don't know shit aboput cars and economics that is something new and it is better. At the end 6 cylinder engines are better than V-6 in the low and long run, just with a simple difference the line engines are more expensive and bigger and requiere more adjustments.

If you do not understand the size problem a line 6 will be twice as big as a V-6 because it has the six cylinders in the same plane , the V has the cylinders in two planes of the space.

Also look in history that the best carse.g the supra, had an in line six, also the IS 300, and BMW has not stoped doing them because of its quality.

Now the quality comes from the plane distribution of the pistons and angles between the planes. It seems that the angle of the V tends to give more power but more friction and wear while the line model reduces the friction hence reducing wear. The power loss is acceptable, more tuning is needed( again more money). Check why cars with line in six engines are more expensive? Just look around. If these explanations is not enough then please I sugest you to go to an Mechanical Engineer as the one that explained this to me and have explained all over to you. I 'm just giving you a rough idea of the situation.

Peace my friend and ask any mechanic why this is like that, they might tell you something like this. Peace

[Charlie 350 Z]

You're funny too. Have you ever heard of a supercar that wasn't targeted to rich people? A supercar targeted to lower income buyers, now that's something I'd to see.

I agree though, a Supra is a straight-six or nothing at all. And the car we're talking about here would probably not be called a Supra anyway.

Let me re explain my self. Rich people are only the 10 % uf U.S.A population, now from there come out with the ones that want to buy a "Super Sports Car" and you will end up with not to many. In the other hand the middle class in U.S.A is the powerfull one the one that defines the country and the one that is going to buy these sports beauties. Therefore Companies want the middle class to be able to buy these cars, remember waht happend with the 300 Z , Supra and RX-7, people did not buy them because they were to expensive at the time,. Now they came back when a 30000.00 $ car is not that expensive and voila millions sold , just go out and you will see a bunch in the streets( South Fl at least). So this is my correction , remember that economy is based in history and history repeats it self . Peace

[wEstSide]

I thought only 5% of the population makes over 100k a year. The people with lots and lots of money (superrich) are generally the playboys who collect these kinds of cars.

[bleh]

i think you have a fairly different perspective on the matter. an i6 will make more power and be cheaper than a v6 given all other things equal simply because of the balancing needed to be done and the fact that you have another head adding to a lot more of the drag. they only obviously clear advantage of the v6 is size. you can cram the engine into engine bays that are a lot smaller, but this doesnt really up the price of the car that much. the only argument against a i6 is simply that it is a bit combersome.

the price difference would be in balancing and in the extra set of cam(s). also the manifolds become a little more complex in a vee design but thats not really a big issue.

the more affordable cars use the v6 design because they are willing to make the compromise for space.

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[wEstSide]

A DOHC V6 can actually probably take up more space than an I6. The problem with I6s is that they're too long, which makes them basically impossible for FWD format.

[LateNightCable]

Let me re explain my self. Rich people are only the 10 % uf U.S.A population, now from there come out with the ones that want to buy a "Super Sports Car" and you will end up with not to many.

Introduce financing into the equation, which is very popular these days, and it changes everything. There wouldn't be nearly as many $50,000 Hummer H2's even - if payment plans were not around. Financing and credit cards make many many people feel rich.

And to Westside's comment about I6's being impractical for FWD applications, that's very true. Packaging is a greater consideration in most cars than anything else, especially since FWD is the standard.