Koenigsegg Top Speed Rumor

[Speedster25]

I remember someone saying that the Koenigsegg ran 258+mph, in Norway, under good conditions. I was wondering if there is any truth to that rumor, that anyone else knows.

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[wEstSide]

No possible way.

[LateNightCable]

There seems to be a lot of talk of cars doing 250+ miles per hour these days, even Indy cars don't run that fast generally. How many places short of a salt falt provide enough space to reach that speed anyway?

Some car might do it, but not the Koenigsegg.

[Speedster25]

I did hear that the Orca C113 officially can run 258mph as the 641bhp version. And 2.7 seconds 0-60 mph. But I do not know a 1/4 mile time, for the C113, the Koenigsegg can go 9.0s 1/4 mile. But a couple of articles have stated that the Koenigsegg will be the first production car to run 250+mph.

[bleh]

maybe theres some place in norway where its one straight road that goes down a hill and stays straight. if the gear ratios allow it then it could be possible.

[LateNightCable]

That's a consideration, though a downhill run would be a little bit of a cheat. I'm sure a 1925 Model T could hit 250, with the motor off, - if you dropped it out the back of a C130 at 25,000 ft.

The Egg already has short enough gearing to launch to 60 in under 4 seconds, and has only 6 gears. Koenigsegg's own website quotes a record speed for the CC as 242. Not quite 258+.

[bleh]

wait wait. what does its 1st gear top out at? i doubt its gearing is that short. first gear has to have traction after all

[LateNightCable]

Not sure what the ratio is or what it tops out at off hand, but I imagine it's kind of short. But I wonder if they're playing around with different ratios for different occasions.

On paper, the car is supposedly good for 235mph. - in 5th. Thats' why I wonder.

[Speedster25]

I guess then, that leaves some room in 6th. This is all theorectical, hopefully they will test the CCR soon. By the way it's 395+km/h, which is 245.4+mph, they messed that up. I also think that the 0-60 might be able to go 3.1 or 3 flat.

[wEstSide]

Koenigsegg likes to BS numbers. Their cars aren't really that fast.

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[LateNightCable]

That's what I think. When the McLaren came out, it was the fastest hands down. It was proven, and everyone knew it. The Egg on the other hand is shrowded in shady statistics. That car's time will pass before it ever get's here.

[mv]

if you dropped it out the back of a C130 at 25,000 ft.

that's exactly what i wanted to say about the Egg and 258mph...as westside said Mr. Koenigsegg is not credible at all

[LateNightCable]

Besides the sultan of Brunai, does anyone know who is buying those cars? You hear talk of them like they're undergoing never ending testing, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's actually bought one.

As far as 250+ mph. goes, it seriously bores me to even debate about it, and under no conditions would I even want to travel that fast in a street car anyway. Going fast is fun, but finessing a good car around some turns regardless of speed is even more fun. And no matter how fast, how much fun can you have in a straight line? Many people don't realize how ludicrous almost 260 in a car really is.

If I wanted to cover some ground really fast, I'd spend $100,000 on a Glassair III or a Russian surplus jet trainer and blow the Eggy or the Bugatti into the weeds.

[Speedster25]

It has 806 bhp, and 678 ft. lbs. of torque, and only weighs 2600 pounds, and also has a drag coefficient of drag of only .297. Much more power than the McLaren F1 (627bhp, 479 ft. lbs.), even though the Mclaren weighs 260 pounds less, and has a cd of .32. Now the Orca C113 is using a turbo or biturbo 4.2 liter V-8, to produce 641 bhp. It only weighs 1874 pounds, goes 0-60 in 2.7s, and has a top speed claimed by Autoweek of 258 mph. Also the Orca has a cd. of only .26.

But until the Orca or the Koenigsegg break 240.1 mph, the F1 is still the fastest production car in the world. The Koenigsegg CC ran 226 mph, and the road was wet, and therefore the test was incomplete.

[wEstSide]

the Orca has a cd. of only .26

I will fly before this:

Can have a cd of .26.

look at it from the side and front and try to tell me its possible

That thing, most likely, generates a shit load of turbulence.

It doesn't weigh 1874 pounds look at this car

That thing weighs 1080kg.

Claimed for the Orca:

René Beck created the first prototype in 2002 powered by a Volvo V70 5-cylinder 380 bhp engine. The latest version is powered by a Swiss-made DOHC 8-cylinder engine capable of 650 bhp and 900 Nm of torque. A top speed of 360 km/h is claimed.

The chassis is made of aluminium, magnesium and titanium while the body is made of carbon-kevlar. The car is 4 meter long and weighs about 750 kg.

this thing weighs 400kg, and that is with a motorcycle engine and no real interior, glass, or any of that bs.

Prove to me it weighs that much, give me a picture of it at a weigh station.

I am tired of car companies hyping figures.

[skyline_r34v]

Koenigsegg likes to BS numbers. Their cars aren't really that fast.

Are you so sure about that, how come you say it's not that fast. Do you have proof it's not that fast?? I didn't think so.

Everybodies hating on the Koenigsegg because it's putting the piece of shit McLaren F1 in it's place where it should be. It WAS the best car in the world, now it's not even a 3rd or 4th rate supercar. It's an over-priced hunk of shit that gets ripped on by cars 1/2-1/4 of it's price. McLaren is overrated and overplayed piece of crap. It should die along with it's dead crown of being the fastest car in the world.

[Speedster25]

Well there is no reason to say the CCR can't go at least 240 mph, their website officially stated 245.4 mph which is 395 km/h. As a auto manufacturer, you try to make the best possible estimates or report the best times. I believe the CCR can go 250 mph, until it is tested, and it goes under, I will still believe it even so if it only goes 245 mph it will break the world record. Koenigsegg said himself he thinks it will go 240 mph - 252 mph. Thats just an estimation it could be more. There is also a car called the SSC Aero who have tested their car, and 0-60 was 2.94s, 1/4 mile was 10.44s, and a top speed of 249 mph, this will also be a production car as the CCR. You can't say the CCR won't go 250+ or 258+ or whatever. It could, its extremely possible. And if it does I will laugh at all of you who said it can't. How credible was that one guy who said he talked to the driver? I don't know, but it seemed pretty convincing that he had clips of where he was, and pictures. Why would someone lie? It wouldn't make sense.

[bleh]

i like the way the orca looks. ugly. mean. fast. the reason the cd is so low on that is cus as it gets twards the back of the vehicle its just lines that go straight back. and that thing is soooo tiny, helping the cd out a great deal.

the reason i brought up the 1st gear of the egg is cus usually for a car to have a killer 0-60 time they need to cut out a shift thats usually in there. so i would not be surprised if 1st went over 60. and given the cars rediculous amounts of power and relatively light weight. a long first gear would be beneficial for traction.

[bleh]

Everybodies hating on the Koenigsegg because it's putting the piece of shit McLaren F1 in it's place where it should be. It WAS the best car in the world, now it's not even a 3rd or 4th rate supercar. It's an over-priced hunk of shit that gets ripped on by cars 1/2-1/4 of it's price. McLaren is overrated and overplayed piece of crap. It should die along with it's dead crown of being the fastest car in the world.

i dont know man i wouldnt call that thing a pos. sure its over priced but.... i think its faster than most of the cars that are owned by people on this bored. with exception to my car of course

[Thunf]

As far as 250+ mph. goes, it seriously bores me to even debate about it, and under no conditions would I even want to travel that fast in a street car anyway. Going fast is fun, but finessing a good car around some turns regardless of speed is even more fun. And no matter how fast, how much fun can you have in a straight line? Many people don't realize how ludicrous almost 260 in a car really is.

If I wanted to cover some ground really fast, I'd spend $100,000 on a Glassair III or a Russian surplus jet trainer and blow the Eggy or the Bugatti into the weeds.

That made me think of something, the trains! How about go to France where they have very fast trains, don't know how fast they are going. However, in Japan they have a line where train speeds silently over superconducting magnets of about 400 km/h. That would be cheaper to test! A fast train like that would be nice to experience!

[wEstSide]

Try this video first http://gofastvideo.com/gallery/item/predownload/199/1/free-racing-videos/top-gear---koenigsegg.html

[LateNightCable]

That thing, most likely, generates a shit load of turbulence.

Very true, that car has obviously not undergone any sophisticated aerodynamic development, with squared edges and a 45 degree windshield like a pickup truck. And even a Lotus Elise weighs more than 1,874lbs.

The exotic car business is full of bullshitters trying to gain attention to their cars. And there is a difference between a "production" car, and one that is maybe here and maybe isn't, which is what a lot of these cars are.

* Skyline, I see you're not a great fan of the F1, but don't stoop to utter nonsense. Over ten years later, the fastest cars are still trying to catch up to the F1.

About the TGV trains in France, they regularly travel at around 186mph. Upcoming future versions are said to achieve 225mph. in regular service. The record speed for a TGV stands at 320mph.

[Speedster25]

The Orca doesn't look that bad, it looks futuristic, like the ME 4-12. Weight - 1874 pounds. Ft. lbs. of torque, 664. 641bhp.

Quoted from Autoweek:

Seeing as Orca won’t be getting any powerplants from the Ford group, another source was needed for the anticipated future C 113s. The turbocharged 4.2-liter V8 from the Audi S6 is already being worked over for that purpose by German tuner MTM (Motoren-Technik-Mayer) to the point that the only recognizable carryover from the S6 will be the aluminum block. The twin turbos this time are crafted by MTM and provide 11.6 psi of pressure each. Output is projected at 641 hp at 5400 rpm and 664 lb-ft at 4200, while dry weight goes up to just 1874 pounds.

Expert projections based on these variables—also taking into account the 0.26 Cd—put top speed at 258 mph and 0-to-60-mph acceleration at 2.7 seconds. It should take less than seven seconds to touch 200 km/h (125 mph) and in 15 seconds, the kilometer posts should be clicking by at 300 an hour (187 mph).

“We want the fastest road car in the world,” asserts Beck, echoing the seldom-realized ambitions of many a visionary.

Why lie?, I don't get it. It adds up just like the Koenigsegg. The Mclaren was the fastest and right now is the fastest car on Earth, but it will be broken soon. There are too many cars out there that have 240+ mph waiting for them. Buggati, Koenigsegg, Orca, Chrysler.

[LateNightCable]

It's natural that the F1 would at some point be surpassed in ultimate speed, I don't think any of the cars mentioned have what it takes to endure like the McLaren has. It wasn't just a top speed car, but a complete racer, a total package with predigree, and constructed in world-class fashion.

The Chrysler ME-412 will most likely never happen. It was more of a publicity stunt than a serious consideration.

[Speedster25]

Actually the ME 4-12 has been produced but in very small numbers. I just want an end to it, this debating doesn't go anywhere. I agree, the McLaren F1 is currently the fastest and has been since 1993. But within the next year or two, I'm expecting a car to come along and beat it. In my mind that is the Koenigsegg CCR or the Orca C113. You have to remember the CC 8S ran 226 mph on a wet road, they only tested it once.