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S2000 Worste car ever!


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I'm sure many are going to argue with me, but yesterday I drove a S2000 on a track and it is by far the biggest POS ever!

Okay it is small, light, fast and steers sharp. I'll admit to that but handeling wise it is horrible! One little bump, one move to fast and it's out of control and once it's out of control you're not going to get it back anytime soon. Your only option is to let it go and hope it stops without hitting something. One little slip, a little bit too fast and there it goes!

When you go over little bumps or curbstones the car is immediatly launched into the air! The last lap I drove it, I raced over a curbstone and the rightside of the car was way up in the air! I'm sure that if it wasn't for me leaning to the right that the car would've end up on it's side. After that I wanted to get out of that deathtrap ASAP!

This car is #1 one my worste track cars list and I'm sure it will stay there for a long time.

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ive never heard anyone say that about this car. my friend has one and i always thought it was very nimble for what it was. it has adequate power so it doesnt break loose very much. you sure you werent just driving it too hard?

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I think any good sportscar could be pushed pretty hard without threatening to lose it like that.

Biggest POS ever ...

* Honda S2000 - #1

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* AMC Gremlin - #2 :wink:

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The thing is that it really doesn't feel like I was pushing hard. I come in for a turn, steer in and if there's anything on the road it doesn't like then it's all over the place. So that's point 1. You hit the curbstone, the road is wet, anything.

The second is that okay you might push it a little bit too hard but in most cars there is still a huge margin for correction. This car there has no margin, mostly because the steering dynamics are all wrong It slips, because of it's light weight it has no traction at all, and when it finally does get traction you're probably steering into the wrong direction!

There is absolutely no way to predict what way the car will go when it does slip and what effects the corrections you make are going to have.

And lets face it, it's all about the sensation. If the car doesn't give you any feeling at all then it's pretty useless as a supercar. I really didn't have the feeling I was going fast and I wasn't really pushing the car that hard.

The biggest point is that the car has alot of oversteer. It's unbelievable, but if you go through corners on average speeds and steer-in like you're supposed the car losses it completely! It just throws it's ass around! Once that happens, it happens alot, then it's over.

It's lightweight combined with it's tendency to oversteer make this car a nightmare to drive.

  • 4 Wochen später...
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Never heard a PRO complaining about the S2000 on the track! The car is definitely hard to drive so maybe U had a bad day GIR!

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The s2000 does suck.

S2000 sucks? HAH not hardly.

Take a look at the S2000 again and drive it urself. It doesn't suck trust me.

It, along with the NSX, is one of the best cars Honda has ever made.

I give it a thumbs up.

  • 5 Wochen später...
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The problem in this case is the person behind the wheel.

Out of curiosity what is your normal car for track days?

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Variaty of cars. Spyker C8, Ferrari 512LM, Mercedes E500, BMW M3, Honda Civic.

Anywayz, I knew somebody would be going for the "you are a inexperienced driver" method. Just a warning at hand, don't even go there.

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Hallo GIR,

 

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just out of curiosity was it entirely stock? different rims/tires?

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Variaty of cars. Spyker C8, Ferrari 512LM, Mercedes E500, BMW M3, Honda Civic.

Anywayz, I knew somebody would be going for the "you are a inexperienced driver" method. Just a warning at hand, don't even go there.

It could be that you are indeed experienced but not as good a driver as you think. Alternatively you might just be full of S**t :D

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just out of curiosity was it entirely stock? different rims/tires?

All were stock except the Civic which has Koni shocks, BBS RD 220 (17 inch) rims and Goodyear eagle sliks. Further more it was chipped, highflow intake and a highflow exhaust.

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i was going to say my friend has an s2000 and it shines pretty well at the track but his is modded a bit.

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i know its taking it off topic, but theres not much activity on the forums, how did the civic perform? also what kind of civic was it?

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i know its taking it off topic, but theres not much activity on the forums, how did the civic perform? also what kind of civic was it?

95 Sedan 1.6 ESI, Performed like I expected, doesn't have much get up and go power specially when it's loaded but once it's on the run it builds up speed fast. Handeling wise it's disappointing which is a characteristic of Japanese cars. The power steering is totally artofficial and doesn't give you much feedback from the road.

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thats my generation civic and i know exactly what your talking about as far as the power steering, it is the worst coming out of a chicane...oooo so annoying.

and i just got koni yellows and some agressive springs. what were the suspension mods on that civic? they really need a beefy rear sway bar to go in and out of turns agressively. especially, if it doesnt come with a rear sway bar. most usdm civics do not with exception to the upper end models (ex and si trim levels).

was there anything else for power aside from the intake, exhaust and the chip? i have intake and exhaust and the performance gains were more mental than anything.

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I really don't know what koni shocks were under there, the owner told me he had them and I just took it for granted.

The intake, outlet and chip mods don't do much at all. I'm guessing that's because of the japanese engines are already highlean and thus have been tuned aggressively. They suck up and push out all the air they can to achive this.

The reason I know they don't do much good is because the reason we were at the track that day was to test wether they did any good :)

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i have no right to comment on this car

i only drive it in NFS underground

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I would have loved to have seen the engine out of the S2000 under the hood of the lotus elise, or better yet, if they could refine the chasis of the S2000 a bit further, get - oh, 500 lbs out of it, they would have something incredible.

  • 2 Wochen später...
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yea... that was hondas designed competition.... miatas.... too bad the s2000 is 2800lbs... really defeats the purpose. the strange thing is that its wheelbase and dimensions are very close to that of my civic, but my civic weighs in at 2400lbs. w/ a full tank of gas, no a/c, gutted trunk and me in it (i weigh 170). do you think a real hard top s2000 would be lighter, while maintaining the same chasis regidity? it should be...

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The convertible is what kills it. That said, there isn't a stiffer convertible build.

Period. The X-Bone chasis is heavy, but pays off. In hard top they could scrap the X-Bone and lose the soft top weight, toss some aluminum panels into the mix, i bet they could get down to say, 2,400, maybe 2,300 or lower yet even.

My bimmer, which is nicely larger weighs in at only 2,420 - with some stuff gutted, given, plus my 190lbs. But I have seats for 4 and a real interior - with things like a stereo not based on a disc-man. (the S2000 stereo is truly the worst since the days honda made civics without catalysts.

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the good old days before airbags :) i thought about gutting my interior but i decided it just wasnt worth it, especially with a 4door. i do have a few pounds less of sound proofing tar but aside from that my interior is pretty stock. automatic windows and mirrors i probably could take off a real big chunk by going manual...but it its a simple thing that should stay on all daily driven cars.

to get back on topic: a 2400lb. s2000 would be such a worthy investment. i would definitely get one.

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Well, I'm convinced a hardtop could shed at least 250lbs, and then probably another 100 atleast gutting all the chasis bolsters they had to add to stiffen the up back when it was a convertible.

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