3000GT Vr-4

[bleh]

woa, lot of hot air. simmer down. i never said the car was bad. it is definately faster and better than my car in all respects. with exception to gas mileage: 40mpg and insurance rates: $600a year(before pointsand in new jersey). i said it was the worst in its class.

now over the past few weeks i have come across a dodge stealth(for non u.s. residents its a 3000gt with different badges and a different wing). this thing was definately fast. the owner had modified everything except the turbos and is planning on getting a t3 with 48 trim. he definately knew what he was talking about and said the best thing he did for his car was very large exhaust. he said it freed up the most power aside from the boost controller. im not too sure but i think it broke 13s in the quartmile. he even admitted that it is still a pig of a car and wishes it didnt weigh as much. he also said the thing he hated most about tunning the cars turbo system since the engine is mounted transversely and it is a real pain to get to the rear turbo, so good luck for you tuners.

however i still do stand by my first statement that this car is the worst in its class. vorros you ask me if i have driven it, so then i will ask you, have driven anything else that is in the 3000gts class? i mean seriously what japanese supercars were worse than this one?

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Hallo Shayon201,

 

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[thepolarfoxqx]

worst in class. I promise, in this class, you can do worse than a VR4.

[bleh]

if you can promiss that theres worse then show me. there are a lot of fuzzy lines however.......

[thepolarfoxqx]

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I'm pretty sure this is in the same class. In terms of money, size, etc.

And don't even try to tell me it is better

[bleh]

wow you had to dig for that one. i completely forgot about subarus old lineup. whether the svx is in the same class as the 3000gt is opinion. to most it is since they are heavy awd six cylinders. that turbo does make a very large difference however and the fact that the svx never came in manual is retarded. the svx was also cheaper than the vr-4. in my opinion though they are in the same class (i do have friends that would disagree). i was wrong! worst car in the 3000gts class: subaru svx. second worst 3000gt.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i dug that out, i think i can find another car to push 3000GT to third worst car in class. I have another one in mind actually. I'll have to look into it.

The SVX, aside from only coming with an auto (a crappy one - same one used in Nissan Pathfinders actually), and poor brakes (borrowed from the 700lb lighter legacy), it was still underpowered to its weight. Why you would buy it, I don't know.

[djfux69]

wow yeah i completely forgot about that one. definetly worste than the vr-4. whats the other car you are thinking about?

[thepolarfoxqx]

well, depending on how strict you wanted to follow, I had the maserati biturbo and lexus SC400 in mind (both in the size and price range, though not awd drive or in the case of the biturbo - japanese). If you are going strictly japanese midprice awds, then i'm stumped. Just happy something is worse than a VR-4 (because a VR-4 is a pretty nice car).

[bleh]

the sc400 is definately a rwd non turbo luxury coupe. the key difference (i feel) is luxury. the design of the car was something very different.

like i said before though the 3000gt is a nice car. the dodge stealth i saw commanded respect on the streets. its just the worst, ehem, second worst in its class. i guess what i was saying was that its the 2nd worst of the best japanese cars.

[thepolarfoxqx]

there ya go. That is mitsu's job, make the 2nd worst of everything. Well, i don't know, EVO is pretty top notch, but - you get it.

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Hallo Shayon201,

 

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[bleh]

i dont know about the evo... ive heard a lot of mixed opinions. i dont like dsm's to begin with but that should be in a separate topic.... to be contouvre!!!

(contouvre is spelled right rent 'cky4')

[jterp]

couldnt read all those posts... just wanted to jump in with -- VR-4 had some really bad problems with the turbos failing and needing replaced and failing again and needing replaced and failing again... etc..

Also.. they weren't easy to work on at all... pretty sure you had to take the intake manifold off to change the spark plugs...

thats it...

[thepolarfoxqx]

they did have lots off odds and ends with them. The infinit J30 (which was very similar to 300ZX in terms of driveline) had to have the intake manifold pulled too to get the plugs.

[mitzgto805]

thepolarfoxqx I agree with you all the way. I own a highly modified 3000GT VR-4 with a single turbo conversion that is almost done. The VR4 handled better then the NSX and ran the same times while weighing hundreds of pounds more. But alot of people dont realize that you can actually get a VR4 down to 3400lbs...carbon fiber hood, rear hatch, driveline, and replace the seats which weigh about 85lbs for the driver and 60 for the passenger..the thing about the VR4 is its a underdog..so when you smash on someone they are completely shocked.

[thepolarfoxqx]

no doubts, the VR4 was heavy because it has lots of un needed BS, rip it out, you've got a car that isn't too heavy, a soldi motor and a sturdy driveline, and a car that in general really does perform well. It never got the publicity Skyline and Supra got, but it's every bit the car.

[skyline_r34v]

As you can tell by my carpool i own a drag gto vr-4. Bleh, forgive me if i'm wrong,

but it seems like your so....anti-gto is that jealousy cuz you have a pos or what?

And i sense alot of negativity towards the car, what ever happen to being optimistic instead of being pessimistic?

Sounds like a personal problem 2 me.

Anyways, Yes GTO vr-4's had probs with weight and turbo's failing.

Weight is easily solved by basically doin the same thing that mitzgto said except for mine i completely had the body remade in carbon/kevlar.

Turbo's failing? hell its easy you can just upgrade the turbo to a phantom turbo $1,170 and wow you can have a turbo able to handle upto 680hpand have an 11sec GTO.

Yes gto vr-4's exhaust system is pretty shitty i have a custom 4'' exhaust and it freed up over 30+hp jus in itself.

I'm not going to get in everything i have in my car cuz i've already done basically that in another post. VR-4's are nowhere near the worst of jap imports.

Until u drive one i suggest you either 1. shut up 2. go out and drive one then your comment means shit. It's relatively easy to make a GTO vr-4 into the 13's with only $1,000 to spend with installation.

[bleh]

skyline, i do give you credit for making your posts readable.

if i were to be jelous it would be because of the skyline(wouldve thought that was obvious). look at how i had to articulate my argument in this thread! i do give some respect to the car and i could very well be wrong, just show me. so far this has just been a conflict of what you think my opinion is against your opinion.

[skyline_r34v]

ok np bro

[Arty25]

the 3000gt wouldn't be on the top 20 list of best jap cars

[thepolarfoxqx]

care to tell us why?

[Marko_TT]

That top speed figure is rubbish, sorry! I don't know where it came from, but the 3000GT / GTO twin turbo will do comfortably more than 160mph, even in stock form.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i really don't think that a 3000GT VR-4 does much more than 160, and certainly not comfortably, it's all aerodynamics.

[LateNightCable]

Actually, 160 is fairly respectable for a car of the 3000's weight, power and aerodynamics. That and the stock gearing isn't particularly aggressive. But 160 is certainly not all it could do. When in doubt - More Power!

1,000 hp. 3000GT VR-4 ...

[thepolarfoxqx]

The VR-4's aerodynamics make 160 hard with any amount of power. Yes, enough power it could go faster, but the downforce and air continuity wouldn't be there, and it would not track well at, or even if at all. More power is nice, but there are such things as aerodynamic walls you just aren't going to break with any amount of power. A 1000hp 3000GT is not going go have as high a topspeed as a 420hp 911 turbo.

[LateNightCable]

I don't know, downforce aside, the 3000 is hardly shaped like a truck, it's actually a pretty low drag design. And look at the Bentley Continental T, aerodynamics like a brick, curb weight of well over 5,000lbs. and it hit 170 on 420 hp.

It's a fact, with enough driving force, a car is going to shoot past 160 weather the aerodynamics are cool with it or not. A 911 Turbo would be faster with less naturally, ( although with 1,000 hp. and other mods, I think a 420 hp. 911 might get beaten ) but even it has aerodynamic walls. Bottom line, I think the 3000 would be capable of well over 160 with enough work.