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[Mongrel]

i'm not a redneck!

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[thepolarfoxqx]

if you say so.

[LateNightCable]

As to whether the Dodge Ram SRT/10 is a hotter truck than the Lightning, I guess that would depend on your priorities. I haven't read many details about the Dodge's suspension, but there is no denying that the huge V-10 is capable of kicking royal ass at the strip. As for handling, we'll have to see about that.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Kick-back? You know you wouldn't have to stand and hold the 50-cal, don't you, Fox?

If nothing else, the lightning is becoming too common. I'd go for the SRT-10. It's got the same 500 horses, and it's a V-10 under the hood. One thing I really care about is Torque, but in this case I'd still take the Dodge.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Oh wait, nevermind. I thought Ford had Dodge beaten on the Torque numbers. I got that wrong. My bad. SRT-10's V10 gets 500HP and 525lb.ft. torque. Lightning's V8 gets 500HP, but only 500lb.ft. toqrue. Definitely Dodge for me, then.

[LateNightCable]

My " bad "? I remember when it was " bag " . Modern slang :roll: .

Yeah, the Lightning needs to be cut down to size; those SVT folks are getting too big for their britches, because GM won't bother to step up to the plate and build anything to compete with them.

Izzy, how could you possibly think the 8.3 liter V10 had less torque? You know it has the Ford beat in that department without even trying.

[izzyloveslizzy]

It depends, LateNight. The 8.3L V10 can be tuned to put out 625HP, and only 420 pund-feet of Torque. You can't just look at the displacement and cylinder count of an engine and say how much Torque and how much horsepower it would produce. And besides, I didn't in which way the engine had been modified. It could've been supercharged, turbocharged, intercooled (through various different methods) or just made to work more efficiently, thus making more horsepower and/or torque, depending....

I like Ford, but I just think the Lightning has gotten all the stage time, and Dodge is being disregarded and forgotten. I don't think that's fair. Dodge makes a kickass machine, and they definitely deserve better. And besides, the looks of the SRT-10 (for one) appeal to me more than the Lightning.

[LateNightCable]

I know you have to look at more than the number of cylinders and the displacement. But I wouldn't have expected Dodge to tune the V10 for more horsepower than torque. It makes more sense to keep it a torque motor primarily. Because nobody is crying over 500 hp.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well, actualy, a lot of people are. But I guess as you said, torque is more important. For big trucks and vans and what-not torque counts more than horsepower. Yuo could have a 200HP engine, but if it gets 100 foot-pounds of torque it's not gonna be any good. And it's not like an S2000 you can rev high and t wouldn't be fun at all. It would be torture. But seeing as to how the SRT-10 is built by Dodge, I'd say you can't "expect" anything. Those dudes don't exactly do things the normal way. What's the least-expected thing for a company to do? Well, whatever it is, that's what dodge is gonna do. they're actualy going to go ahead and build the tomahawk. It's madness I tells ya, madness! I wouldn't be surprised if Dodge threw away conventional ethics ad made a truck that had 800HP and 500 foot-pounds of Torque. They just don't seem to care as much as others.

[m.calabria]

I'm standing at the lights, vette besides me, two lanes, both turning left. I got a good start, he, too, around the corner, full speed, Civics handle well, the vette loses in the corner, I think that guy just couldn't drive, the straight comes up, I'm about a car length ahead, but he has way more power, passes me, but has a slow car in front of him, doesn't manage to change lane and go in front of me, so I proudly pass him again, smiling. The choice of lane is as much part of racing on the street, so I take that as a kill.

Afterwards we went on the highway, and after a while there's a vette passing me at 160 km/h. I was still laughing. The Civic has 90 HP.

Another one was in Canada, I drove a Grand AM 3.4l V6, a BMW 530i stands at the light, waiting for the light to turn green, rolling, but rolled to early, so he went on the break, and I start rolling half a car length behind him. It turns green, I'm gone, take at least 2 car lengths, before he even started moving. Timing, timing, with 170 HP the Grand AM wouldn't have a chance, the BMW has I think 231 HP. That was a huge success for me, because it's about HOW you drive your car.

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[LateNightCable]

Or rather it's how the Corvette and Bimmer drivers; didn't drive their cars.

[thepolarfoxqx]

that's extremely true.

The Corvette will outhandle damn near most things, all civics included. Corvette, as awkwardly engineered as it is, just works really well.

The 530i turns over a 0-60 in the upper 6s, the Grand AM is up is over 8.

Driving is a lot of it. I've won races i shouldn't have before because i drove well and the other guy didn't, and i've fucked up before. In what i call the worst driving of my life, i got cocky, lost focus, and lost control, flying over a burm sideways while spinning, facing nearly straight down, and landing backwards, at close to 70mph. When i finally came to rest, my first fear, sadly enough was for the car. I started it, and it started. I turned it off, got out, felt myself to see if it'd injured myself, my buddy got out and shook off. We inspected the car, no damage, but i had missed a concrete barrier by six inches (tire tracks), i didn't even see it, it was dark and it happened so damn fast. I did take a cooling fan off my aluminum oil pan, but oh well.

[m.calabria]

I agree, would I have the other cars, I would have won, too. They were faster cars. But you gotta know how to drive them. On a straight, no obstacles, even start, I wouldn't have had any chance.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Fox, I think the Corvette meets it's match in handling. The Viper (no matter how much you hate it) is a hell of a handler, at least as good as the Vette. Wouldn't you agree?

I missed a huge part of this conversation, but why are Civics being included in the same list as Corvettes? How can you put a Civic up against a Corvette and hope to come away with even ONE victory in a single category? You CAN'T! Well, maybe at least it get's better fuel mileage than a Corvette...!.

[thepolarfoxqx]

in an automatic transmission car, all you have to do is have your launch down (which isn't all so tricky on the auto, hold the brake, give it just enough gas to reach stall on the torque convertor, when the light turns green, let off the brake and peg the pedal simulaniously to the floor, and off you go. A manual, you have to have the feel for the flywheel, how the clutch engages, and have the shifter down pat.

[izzyloveslizzy]

That's the reason why everyone prefers manual. You get more control over it. That's an excellent description of how to do it right, by the way. You'd need practice too, though, as with anything else.

Fox, what about my second to last post? You haven't answered that.

[m.calabria]

Fox, I think the Corvette meets it's match in handling. The Viper (no matter how much you hate it) is a hell of a handler, at least as good as the Vette. Wouldn't you agree?

I missed a huge part of this conversation, but why are Civics being included in the same list as Corvettes? How can you put a Civic up against a Corvette and hope to come away with even ONE victory in a single category? You CAN'T! Well, maybe at least it get's better fuel mileage than a Corvette...!.

It's not that the Civic keeps up with the Corvette, it was about kills. And I'll be damned if I didn't kick that guys a.., even though he had the better car. He tried to beat me, but didn't. Me in his car, I would still have managed to change lane and get out ahead of the Civic, but you gotta know how to drive. But it felt good when I passed the Corvette, he got quite mad. I will never say a Civic keeps up with a vette, no way.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Cool. So you fancy yourself a good driver then, huh? Was your Civic modified in any way shape or form? And what was the Vette the other guy was driving?

[m.calabria]

No, I'm an OK driver, I was lucky with the traffic. I probably couldn't do it again. No, the Civic was plain, nothing suit up. But it's still a good memory. You know it just sounds like more than it was. But it kind of provoked you guys, didn't it? That's why I wrote it.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Yeah it sure did. Anytime something like this is said, there's gonna be more than just a few raised eye-brows and a few people scratching their head/chin! If traffic helped you, then it makes a whole lotta sense. But you usually shouldn't be able to accomplish that in a clean open-road situation!

[m.calabria]

Yeah it sure did. Anytime something like this is said, there's gonna be more than just a few raised eye-brows and a few people scratching their head/chin! If traffic helped you, then it makes a whole lotta sense. But you usually shouldn't be able to accomplish that in a clean open-road situation!

I agree, that would be mission impossible. By the way, that road led to the highway, but he got stuck behind the other car while I drove my gears out right on the highway. He passed me like a minute later with 160km/h. You should have seen his face. You know, I'd kick more a.. if I would have a fast car, but at the moment I don't have one at all, unfortunately. So I have to be satisfied with what I get to drive.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well, yeah, it would especially be mission-impossible in a stock Civic.

Don't worry about what you have. At the moment I don't even HAVE a car. If I were you I'd look on the bright side: there are more options out there for Civic modification than there are grains of sand on a beach. You'd still need to spend moola, I agree, but you can probably modify your Civic to oblivion (to the point where you can sell it for Ferrari dough). That's an encouraging thought, at least.

[m.calabria]

Well, yeah, it would especially be mission-impossible in a stock Civic.

Don't worry about what you have. At the moment I don't even HAVE a car. If I were you I'd look on the bright side: there are more options out there for Civic modification than there are grains of sand on a beach. You'd still need to spend moola, I agree, but you can probably modify your Civic to oblivion (to the point where you can sell it for Ferrari dough). That's an encouraging thought, at least.

I would like the thought, but I told you, it's not my car. I have none either. At the moment I drive what I can borrow from friends or family. It's my brothers Civic. Awesome little car. Doesn't have power but you can drive it like a go-kart.

[LateNightCable]

You could modify a Civic to oblivion, but I don't think you could sell it for Ferrari dough. Cars like that are not very good as an investment, and are often re-sold at a fraction of what was put into them. No one wants to pay more, after all, it's still a Civic.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well, maybe I exaggerrated a bit, but if you really think about it, a super-light-weight carbon-fibre/aluminum-alloy body-replacement for the Civic would allow for the best of all of the available options to be installed into the Civic. All told the combined price of the added parts alone should be 1/4th the price of a "moderately-priced" Ferrari. This is of course only true if you consider every damn upgrade and modification option out there, even those that weren't meant for the Civic. I could agree that not a lot of people would wanna pay for an over-priced tuner car that's "still a Civic", but it's plausible to think that if someone is looking to buy a relatively cheap super-car or sports-car with a hell of a lot of kit, then the car in question would probably be considered. Maybe more so if the buyer is interested in showing off a Hell-Breaker Civic. Afterall, no one would ever expect a 540HP Civic with Ferrari equipment and body modifications.