2005 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo unveiled !

[LateNightCable]

Anything as rare as the F1 is going to be more precious than not, if only for the fact that to have one, you pretty much have to let go of the better part of $1,000,000. You're driving a one million dollar bill down the road, and there are open flames everywhere. When you think about it like that, it starts to seem pretty precious.

On the subject of the S7, that thing is getting pretty pricey. $500,000+ is too much even for the turbo.

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Hallo cstavaru,

 

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[skyline_r34v]

Like I said, if I won the F1 then quickest thing I'd do it sell the shit and get me 5-6 cars that are twice as good as it.

[LateNightCable]

5 or 6 that are twice as good as the F1, in what way, gas mileage? Good luck finding 5 or 6 that encompass high performace twice as much as the F1, and for 150-200k each.

[wEstSide]

Carbon fiber monocoque Mini Cooper with mid-rear B18 with gt35r turbo. That couldn't be much more than 120k.

[skyline_r34v]

I could completely soupe up my Eclipse with everything that I wouldn't mind doing for a fully built track car. Like have the entire body made of carbon fiber (like the GT VR-4), chassis made out of light-weigth yet strong aluminum, rebuild the control arms and everything dealing with suspension, transplant the Evo's AWD drivetrain into the car and then everything else would be custom.

Even all that it would barely be hitting over $150,000-$175,000. I could also leave it as full interior and still the weight would be near of what the F1 weighs.

[bleh]

Carbon fiber monocoque Mini Cooper with mid-rear B18 with gt35r turbo. That couldn't be much more than 120k.

i would throw in the extra 1000 for a k20 or a k24. why bother with a b18?? hell why not a rb26dett

but anyway who cares. there is no way around it:

mclaren f1 > any eclipse

[skyline_r34v]

mclaren f1 > any eclipse

HAHAHA I would LOVE to prove that theory!!!!!!!! That's all it is and ever will be. People think supercars can't be beat by everyday cheap sport cars but little do people know.

I guarantee some people could think it's possible but they don't want to pretend like they do so they don't get flamed for it.

If I can burn my friend in his GT3 around a track I believe I can take that pos. Oh wait, he has a Porsche GT3 and it's basically a supercar, let me guess I can't beat that one either huh???

[wEstSide]

Screw the b18, do a b20a with a bore and stroke. Cams, heads, intake, exhaust, port, everything! NA monster, but with only a couple liters. I say go with a light engine. Turbo would be defeating the purpose, I think.

[cstavaru]

I think you comparison between a Mitsubischi Eclipe Turbo and a McLaren F1 does not make sense.

Yes, you can probably build a dragster that beats all supercars on some angles...

When you consider ALL the angles ( like how many miles can your car run until the engine blows up, or what power and torque curves does your engine have ), your turbocharged Eclipse is nothing compared to a McLaren F1.

If the McLaren or BMW staff would read your posts, they would die laughing I think

[LateNightCable]

Cstavaru has the right idea. It is a very silly comparison, and it's not a snob thing at all, but a reflection of what went into the making of each car. A Porsche GT3 might be considered a supercar, but an F1 is in a very different league than even the Porsche. And BMW and McLaren would indeed snub their noses at a souped Eclipse, because they developed the F1 as a no compromises race car, mustering the best technology of the time - a total package. The car's legendary status on and off the track attests to that. With all due respect, the same certainly cannot be said of any Eclipse, even one with 150k of mods, no matter how smartly modded. It's like trying to polish a hotdog into a T-bone steak.

About modding the Eclipse, with an aluminum chassis, carbon body, new engine, reworked suspension, and custom everything - suddenly we're not talking about an Eclipse anymore, but a whole different car. This is why Ruf's aren't called Porsche's. Why not take it a few steps further, get an S70/2 V12 and just turn it into an F1?

Are you sure there is even a full carbon body kit available for the 3g Eclipse. Wouldn't think there would be much of a market for that.

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[skyline_r34v]

I think you comparison between a Mitsubischi Eclipe Turbo and a McLaren F1 does not make sense.

Yes, you can probably build a dragster that beats all supercars on some angles...

When you consider ALL the angles ( like how many miles can your car run until the engine blows up, or what power and torque curves does your engine have ), your turbocharged Eclipse is nothing compared to a McLaren F1.

If the McLaren or BMW staff would read your posts, they would die laughing I think

An Eclipse turbo?? Who is comparing an Eclipse turbo to the McLaren??? You must be lost in another thread because my Eclipse is not turbo'd.

When I'm talking about burning a GT3 on a track, I'm not talking about a drag strip. That's not a track, I'm talking about a RACE COURSE. I don't build drag cars, I learned my lesson with the 3000GT VR-4. They get extremely boring quick because the handling on them are not so great.

You have no idea and haven't even read this entire subject so why are you even commenting on anything?? Nobody has said anything about a turbocharged Eclipse beating a McLaren F1.

My Eclipse has been supercharged for almost 10,000 miles, has a damn near perfect torque curve and has only lost 1mpg than a brand new stock Eclipse. I didn't spend nearly $15,000 to have an inproperly tuned car. This is my daily driver so of course it HAS to be good on the gas mileage and has to be comfortable, in which it is.

You think it's silly because you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't some ricer Eclipse that is modified and dyno'd once to make some adjustments.

This car doesn't even need to be dyno tuned because of a device called the "black box" does all the tuning on it's own.

This car has also been handed to a suspension specialist for nearly 3 months to be tuned as good as it's going to get while remaining daily driven.

Please don't respond when you don't know what you're talking about. That's all I ask, thanks.

BTW if McLaren read my posts I'd hope they'd have the balls to actually bring out their "precious" McLaren and not be afraid enough to take on a well-tuned track car that costs 60 times less than what it was. They would probably think it's a waste to be challenged but such a "pitiful" car in their eyes but I guarantee the tuner world would bust out laughing while dogging McLaren by being to scared to challenge a car that's suppose to be "pitiful" in their eyes.

This is the system I have, some of you read up on it and make yourselves knowledgable.

http://rippmods.com/products/products_list_details.asp?menuid=3&productId=169

[skyline_r34v]

Are you sure there is even a full carbon body kit available for the 3g Eclipse. Wouldn't think there would be much of a market for that.

The 3g Eclipse got the shaft by some of the BIG name brands in import tuners like HKS, Greddy and others but they did create exhausts and shit like that. The 3g Eclipse has nowhere near the amount of aftermarket support as the 2g Eclipse's had, that is true.

Even that's so yes there is a full carbon fiber body kit, one consisting of the hatch, front/rear fenders, hood and front/rear LIP. You can get your stock front/rear bumper custom made in CF for $550. Having all those things done to your Eclipse will make your Eclipse look exactly like a stock one so how could it not be an Eclipse anymore?? On the outside it'll look like a stock Eclipse with a full carbon-fiber body on it. Only then you could tell it's overhauled is if you took the body off of it.

Besides having the AWD that would be the only unoriginal thing that's not in there for stock.

[LateNightCable]

An Eclipse with a carbon body kit would still be an Eclipse. But you mentioned previously the idea of converting the car to AWD with an Evo engine, equipping custom parts extensively, and fitting an aluminum chassis. This is pretty drastic, and would change the mechanics of the car almost entirely to the point that it just wouldn't be the same anymore. Not in the way Mitsu designed it.

Converting the floorpan of a unibody to aluminum would be quite a trick in itself. And maintaining the structural rigidity of the car would also require much work, and would add weight, ( because the car was designed for steel ) defeating the purpose of an aluminum chassis. A one off would cost, $$$$+.

[skyline_r34v]

I would basically keep the engine I have now. It makes enough power and can make more if I wanted it too.

[bleh]

this thread has gotten out of control. so im going to do my best to say something. dont know if i should

Screw the b18, do a b20a with a bore and stroke. Cams, heads, intake, exhaust, port, everything! NA monster, but with only a couple liters. I say go with a light engine. Turbo would be defeating the purpose, I think.

dude forget the b series engine(relatively speaking of course). its outdated. this tangent on the thread is rediculous. one of the most finely tuned supercars probably wont have an inline 4. i dont care how well its engineered.

[bleh]

You think it's silly because you don't know what you're talking about. This isn't some ricer Eclipse that is modified and dyno'd once to make some adjustments.

This car doesn't even need to be dyno tuned because of a device called the "black box" does all the tuning on it's own.

woa, wait, wait. a car that is fine tuned on a dyno will ALWAYS outperform a car that is running off base maps hands down, every time. holy crap i cant believe you posted that. every car is different and more power can be taken from your motor if it were tuned on a dyno. im not calling you one but what you just said totally sounded like the talk of the rice. man, why did you say that.

This car has also been handed to a suspension specialist for nearly 3 months to be tuned as good as it's going to get while remaining daily driven.

.....whats your suspension setup? did that specialist recomend 17s in the rear? bro your digging yourself into a hole.

My Eclipse has been supercharged for almost 10,000 miles, has a damn near perfect torque curve and has only lost 1mpg than a brand new stock Eclipse.

a torque curve that is about half the size of that of the f1. ive got to see this curve though. for your car. not for the ripp car.

all in all i agree with cstavaru.

its just e-wangin but your the only one that thinks f1 !> eclipse

im sorry to double post, but theres a lot to cover.

[skyline_r34v]

woa, wait, wait. a car that is fine tuned on a dyno will ALWAYS outperform a car that is running off base maps hands down, every time. holy crap i cant believe you posted that. every car is different and more power can be taken from your motor if it were tuned on a dyno. im not calling you one but what you just said totally sounded like the talk of the rice. man, why did you say that.

Want to bet???? I gave the E-manage a try and had it tuned on the dynomometer, the hp dropped by nearly 13whp and the torque dropped nearly 15w/torque. I did that as to prove to everybody that his device works better than having to constantly dyno tune your car. That's the advantage of this guys system over a turbo.

The dyno sheet also looked horrible compared to the black box's dyno sheet.

.....whats your suspension setup? did that specialist recomend 17s in the rear? bro your digging yourself into a hole.

No he didn't, he said there was a possibility that helped but he wouldn't do it. I did that on my own and found that I myself liked it better that way and will remain that way until I get rid of the car.

I'm not digging myself deeper anywhere bro.

[skyline_r34v]

Oh ya'll can think whatever it really doesn't matter to me I know what my car can do and who/what it can beat. If ya'll don't believe it can just because it's not an expensive or even true sports cars, then that's your own problem not mine

[bleh]

Want to bet???? I gave the E-manage a try and had it tuned on the dynomometer, the hp dropped by nearly 13whp and the torque dropped nearly 15w/torque. I did that as to prove to everybody that his device works better than having to constantly dyno tune your car. That's the advantage of this guys system over a turbo.

The dyno sheet also looked horrible compared to the black box's dyno sheet.

who tuned it? let me see those dyno plots. i dont believe you. whoever tuned it messed up. i will not believe you till i see real proof. man this is making NO sense.

[skyline_r34v]

It was a guy in Atlanta and he was a damn good tuner before he closed up shop. He was also the only person that extracted 44whp just on a set of long-tube headers out of the GTS V6. They recommended him and so I went to him. I do not have graphs on the computer. I don't think of putting up graphs on the computer to show everybody on the internet.

[skyline_r34v]

i dont believe you. whoever tuned it messed up. i will not believe you till i see real proof. man this is making NO sense.

Not asking or telling you to believe me. Believe what you want man

[bleh]

everyone on here will believe that the f1 will rip any 3g eclipse on the track. this thread should be closed

[LateNightCable]

Skyline know's who and what his car can beat. But all in all, the way it is now, it's not beating any F1. This whole discussion is beyond nuts, indeed.

Until we're in the mood to talk about the S7 Turbo again, this shop is closed.