2005 Saleen S7 Twin Turbo unveiled !

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um...lets keep the argument simple. given the weight differences and available traction. the f1 will out handle the 3g modded eclipse. all fine tuning set aside.

how much does the f1 weigh?

how much does the eclipse weigh?

what are the tires sizes of each car?

and to keep this on subject lets just throw in those facts of the s7.

im between classes so ill see if i can get answers later, but only kris can give the response of his eclipses weight and tire size.

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[LateNightCable]

I don't think a supercar can't be beaten, but just not by a modified Eclipse, especially not an F1. It's ludicrous.

I'll wait for Kris to list his car's stats before I say more.

[skyline_r34v]

Eclipse with everything dealing with Race measurements as used on tracks. The weight is a guestimate but some of the things that are taken off before track time have been actually weighed.

2003 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS manual.

• Race Weight - very low 2,800ish lbs
  Race Front Tires - 245/50 16 Nitto N555 R
  Race Rear Tires - 235/45 17 Nitto N555
  0-60mph - mid 4's
  1/4 mile - mid 12's
  Skidpad - near 0.90g's
  Slalom - over 70mph
  HP - 350+whp (and no that's not the max it can put out)
  Torque - ???

My weight distribution is actually pretty decent now. The stock's weight distribution was pretty fucking horrid. I'd guess it's around mid 50's in the front and mid 40's in the back now. If I did an extreme weight reduction and completely stripped out the car I'd guess it would weight mid 2,600lbs.

Since my Eclipse is my daily driver along with being a track car I can't go drastically ripping shit out of my car. I've already removed the back seat because it's to small to even fit anybody under the age of 7, I took out the AC because it never gets used and I haven't done any body work except for a CF hood. I plan on getting most of the body made in CF from ViS and ExtremeDimensions. That should shed several more pounds.

That's about all I can think of.

[bleh]

bro, weigh your car with a reliable scale. 2800lbs is too much of an estimation, so is all of the other stats. the only exact information you gave us is with the tire size....

out of curiousity why the hell do you have larger rims in the rear??

[skyline_r34v]

Add some rolling weight to the back so it'll even out the weight distribution. I needed a little more oversteer and the 17s gave me that.

I had 16s on both and it didn't handle as good when I put 17s on the rear. I also relocated the Braille battery to the back 2 weekends ago.

The weight is the only thing that's a partial guestimate and even that was only partial. We've talked on AIM and i've told you my 1/4 mile and 0-60 times. It all depends on my 60' times because you know how crucial they are on a FWD car.

There are times I can hit 12.5-12.6 for 5 runs and then the rest of the night would be variables of 12.4 or 12.8-12.9.

I don't goto the drag strip enough to practice on my 60' to make them perfect because I could really careless about the straights. I'm more into the curves than into the straight shots. I believe my best 60' is around 1.2 which isn't exactly great but it's not bad at all either.

[skyline_r34v]

I don't know a place on where to weigh my car?? Where would you go to weigh your car at??

[wEstSide]

If you want to do dry weight, you'd probably have to take it to a testing facility. If you want weight with fluids, you can just go to a weigh station.

1.2 60' is a really good time for an FWD.

[skyline_r34v]

Not as good as some of the guys that drag race alot. There's this one guy that gets 0.8 everytime on his 60'. I can't do it but my average is somewhere near 1.5-1.7 on my 60'.

Well I live in buddaphuck land Mississippi so I doubt there's any testing facility. I asked my dad if it was possible to weigh my car at one of them trucking weigh stations and he said he didn't think I could. Is that the weigh station you're talking about???

[LateNightCable]

A trucking weigh station is what I would think of.

Even with the race weight, and what not, I don't see a blown 2.4 liter four Eclipse with a 5-speed manual being any match for an F1. If it were, you would be the king at the drag strip. Even if that Eclipse made 400 hp. at the wheels, the power to weight ratio of the F1 is greater. And I don't see how great handling could ever be a vurtue of an Eclipse with that much at the wheels anyway.

The standard roadgoing F1 - the heaviest, weighed pretty close to your Eclipse's race weight, about 2,840 lbs. But it has the benefit of a race chassis, race bred suspension, race duty everything. As well as an NA 6.1 liter BMW V12 putting out 627 hp. and 479 lb.ft. connected to a 6-speed kicking it down the track. Handling can save a somewhat lesser powered car, but not when the weights are just about equal - and in this case, the power difference is so vast.

Also, the old Eclipse was a lot more sporty than the current one, which is inherently softer in every way .

[wEstSide]

Yea, my aunt's "new" Eclipse is sitting in my yard still, and I remember it wasn't that sporty, really.

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[skyline_r34v]

Also, the old Eclipse was a lot more sporty than the current one, which is inherently softer in every way.

Softer how?? The GSX handles worse than any of the current 3g Eclipse's. The 2g Eclipse's had a really soft suspension but benefitted pretty well from adjustable coilovers. I find the 3g more beautiful than the 2g's even though the 2g is what made me fall in love with Eclipse's in the first place.

[bleh]

Add some rolling weight to the back so it'll even out the weight distribution. I needed a little more oversteer and the 17s gave me that.

I had 16s on both and it didn't handle as good when I put 17s on the rear.

dude.... thats pointless. if you wanted more oversteer you shouldve held onto the 16s and lowered the tire pressure in the rear and put it to the max in the front. that is the best way for the tail to swing around, while staying in control. granted it is the exact opposite of what you want to do at the strip.

larger tires in the rear on a fwd car make the car more prone to snap oversteer. which is very bad.

The weight is the only thing that's a partial guestimate and even that was only partial. We've talked on AIM and i've told you my 1/4 mile and 0-60 times. It all depends on my 60' times because you know how crucial they are on a FWD car.

There are times I can hit 12.5-12.6 for 5 runs and then the rest of the night would be variables of 12.4 or 12.8-12.9.

i remember the conversation, but 60ft times are crucial on any car in the quarter mile. completely u related topic though.

I believe my best 60' is around 1.2 which isn't exactly great but it's not bad at all either.

thats with slicks or drag radials.

[skyline_r34v]

I don't want the chance of having a tire on to low of pressure and having a blow out. Then double digit thousands of $$ would be ruined. It has happened between and I saw it on a guy that put over $18,000 on his Civic Type-R and the outcome wasn't the prettiest thing at all. I felt so sorry for the guy.

The 60' were made from the tires you see I have listed. Not full drag slicks. I don't have that kind of money to slap on drag slicks. As you know, drag slicks are extremely expensive for one tire much less 2.

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drag radials are not that expensive. bfg's rock. and dont worry about a blowout. just run higher than low twenties in psi in the rear. trust me larger rims in the rear DO NOT help in handling in a rear wheel drive car. if you think they do its totally the placebo effect.

a 1.2 60ft on a 2800 fwd car without slicks, drag radials, or a wheelie bar is a lie.

[LateNightCable]

Softer how?? The GSX handles worse than any of the current 3g Eclipse's.

On the contrary, the old 4WD GSX was noted for it's world class handling - cornering and stopping were excellent. The 2.0 liter four was turbocharged and intercooled out of the factory, producing more power and torque at a lower rpm than even the current 3.0 V6. Acceleration numbers were higher back then, and even with the 4WD it weighed only 3,157 lbs.

The current Eclipse has traded in a bit of raw sport for a little more conventionality. No turbo or 4WD anymore, but a cruise worthy V6 is available. That's what sells the most cars.

I don't see how a set of drag slicks could be more expensive than purchasing a V-Spec Skyline and shipping it to the U.S. - and then modding it.

[skyline_r34v]

You're a little misinformed on the 2g's. The GSX weighs 3,270lbs for the manual and 3,350lbs for the auto. It's slalom is 63.1mph and a skidpad of 0.84g's. The GTS has the same hp output as the turbocharged kinds and runs the same in the 1/4 mile as the 2g turbo's. The GTS has a skidpad of 0.82g's and a slalom of 64mph.

The braking distances from each vehicle are the exact same at 131ft from 60-0.

The V6 is not the creme of the crop for the 3g's, it's the I4's that are the creme de le creme.. The guys that are wanting to be turbo'd/super'd are trading in their V6's for the I4's because the V6 requires to much drama to do a simple FI. The I4 can also hold tons more power than the V6 can stock. The I4 4g64 can also withstand 300whp on stock internals. The V6 can only withstand 300bhp on stock internals and that's if you're lucky.

[skyline_r34v]

a 1.2 60ft on a 2800 fwd car without slicks, drag radials, or a wheelie bar is a lie.

You should know that Nitto NT-555R tires are drag radials. My normal DD driving tires are Avon Tech M550's. If you're looking for an awesome handling driving tire for all-weather seasons but still looking for performance I highly recommend them. They're only $754 shipped (for 4) and are awesome DD all-weather performance tires.

http://www.nittotire.com/tires_555r.asp Here's the site for the drag radials.

[skyline_r34v]

I don't see how a set of drag slicks could be more expensive than purchasing a V-Spec Skyline and shipping it to the U.S. - and then modding it.

The Skyline is not modded at all. It's still bone stock and the reason why I can't afford shit is because of the stupid mistake of paying that much for the Skyline but every reg knows the reasoning behind that.

[LateNightCable]

The curb weights of the old Eclipse were drastically wide ranging, which is expected of a car with either a front or all-wheel drive option, also a spyder model. So quoting one number is not really accurate. Early Eclipse's wieghed less than 2,800 lbs. To clarify, I'm talking about both 1st. and 2nd. gen Eclipses.

The old Eclipse was a significantly smaller car in it's dimensions. It also used a more sporting independant multilink suspension all around, in comparison to the current model's front struts. 3G is just much more of a passenger car.

About the Skyline, I could swear you listed the horsepower of your cars at one time and none were under 700 hp.

[skyline_r34v]

The curb weights of the old Eclipse were drastically wide ranging, which is expected of a car with either a front or all-wheel drive option, also a spyder model. So quoting one number is not really accurate. Early Eclipse's wieghed less than 2,800 lbs. To clarify, I'm talking about both 1st. and 2nd. gen Eclipses.

That is true, alot of the 2g's were various weights. Don't know how but they were but the main years of the GSX were 3,270lbs.

About the Skyline, I could swear you listed the horsepower of your cars at one time and none were under 700 hp.

No sir, only car that has more than 700hp is the 3000GT VR-4. My Eclipse has put out over 400whp but it's not going to be like that.

You said that 350whp was to much on my car at the track. I've tried all variables of the amount of hp would be perfect for the track.

350whp was seemingly like the most efficient that should only be used on the track without an extreme amount of slippage going out of turns. Any more and it would be just an overpowered car being flung all over the track. Kind of like that 1,000hp M5 at the track all it was doing was burning tires constantly. That's the reason why I dumbed down the power to 350.

I've never bought full out drag slicks before so I would have no clue how much they cost but by the way the NHRA guys talk it seems like you could buy a brand new Kia for a set of 2 tires.

[skyline_r34v]

in comparison to the current model's front struts. 3G is just much more of a passenger car.

I totally agree with that statement. I'm hoping for the sake of future Eclipse owners that the 4g will bring back that flare the 2g had. As of right now it's doing just that but only time will tell when they test it.

[bleh]

ha my bad didnt see the 'r'. either way to bring an official end to the argument. i dont think that any eclipse will handle better than an f1. granted its old. its still up there in the top 10 supercars.

[skyline_r34v]

I just wish I could go up against one. That'd settle the debate

Fat chance of that happening since they think they're so precious.

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it is precious. the f1 that is

also i wish i could pull consistent 1.5 60fts. i would run 14s all day long.

[skyline_r34v]

Might be precious to you man but nothing precious to me Opinions differ though.