How to screw yourself over three times!

[LateNightCable]

Hah! I have a place in the city in a luxury apartment complex where throwing lawn chairs and glass bottles from your balcony might not even warrant immediate eviction - 14 stories mind you. You can just about get away with murder in the U.S., just ask O.J.

But as for the apartment complex, too many police visits will get a person canned. It's supposed to be a respectable place, but we laugh at some of the crazy stuff that goes on. Furnature throwing should not be tolerated.

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[bastardchild]

Driving under the influence of any drug is no good. But lets say if Michael Shoemaker was driving stoned down the autobahn in his Enzo. He gets pulled over at a randomn check and it gets established that he is severly stoned. He did not cross the speed limit(130km/h restricted part of autobahn) and did not drive uncautiously. Would you rather have him on the road or a hyped up menstrual woman in a banged up ford fiesta from 1975 who doesnt know left from right and is in a hurry to go see her shrink.

Thus

There should be different categories of licenses:

1: DAS (dumb as shit)

2: GD (Granny driver)

3: NB (Newbie)

4: ED (Experienced driver)

5: EWLOCS (Experienced with lack of common sense)

6: Pro (Says itself)

Your violation should then depend on your categorization and should have the possibilty to move up and down the scale depending on your punishment. Fines and bans should also be weighed on this.

Let it be noted that in Poland we pay speeding fines with a pack of cigarettes. So we have all kinds of "driving" on the road.

[thepolarfoxqx]

lol.

American law is interesting. We are the epitome of the free market society when compared to our largely socialistic freinds in europe. Here, the criminal punishments are fairly moderate, but after you get through that - the real beauty of american law goes to work on you. After criminal court, you have to deal with civil court. Meaning - you fuck up, you get sued. You can sue for anything and everything here, and you usually win too. It's beautiful. So your dutch maniac driver lady. She would have gotten a hit and run here, which is pretty bad, but after that, the people who owned the property she damaged would get everything she damaged and then some back in monetary damages from her, and then the person who got their foot run over would get all of their medical, lost wages, and punitive damages (the emotional trauma of a broken foot) out of the woman. When we say crime doesn't pay, what we really mean is liability doesn't pay.

Actually, the only area where american law is especially strict is drugs. It is possible to get a life sentace here for drug offences. In fact, possession of a sufficient quantity can end with you seeing quite a few years in prison and your house being ceased by the government.

Latenite, if someone gets hit by your lawn furniture, they'll own you.

[LateNightCable]

Lets say if Michael Shoemaker was driving stoned down the autobahn in his Enzo. He gets pulled over at a randomn check and it gets established that he is severly stoned.

A stoned Micheal Shoemaker is no safer than anyone else, especially in an Enzo. But, ranking people according to their ability is a good idea in a way, ( like a 25 year old man with no license can probably drive better than your average 16 year old driver, so give him a break. ) But it could easily open the door to type casting and prejudice, or the accusation of such.

I'm not throwing furnature, I'll own them if it hits me though.

[skyline_r34v]

That's true alot of people wouldn't appreciate that because they think it'll be stereotyping and being judgemental. That wouldn't go over to well for all these insecure idiots these days.

All I would say to them would be , GOTO A DRIVING SCHOOL, then you wouldn't be amongst the idiots drivers and be considered at least an intermediate driver. Then you wouldn't mind being stereotyped. I know I wouldn't mind being stereotyped amongst the Intermediate/Pro status.

[thepolarfoxqx]

Your unliscensed 25 year old being better than a 16 year old driver theory is flawed.

When I was 16, i had been reading motor trend for a decade, had been driving for 9 years (albiet hardly on large roads, or legally), on a stick shift for 2, had driven our alfa spyder on public roads like any other driver at 14, and getting a liscence to drive was a culminating point in my life that far. I had performance driving verbatim from years of reading MT and C&D. The man who is 25 and without liscense is without liscense for good reason. Clearly he has issues. None of the liscenseless 25 year olds I know should EVER drive.

If Schumaker came to a checkpoint and I was the cop there, I'd take a picture, sell it to a tabloid, and go to St. Tropez on vacation. I'd let him go though.

Seccondly, nearly every enthusiast driver is male. Simple reason for this.

But as men, we pretty much stop maturing at about 6. Sure, we get bigger, stronger, smarter, but inside we are really six - pretty much forever. 16 or 25 isn't much different.

[LateNightCable]

Well, this is where the typecasting wouldn't work. You've got your 25 year olds who shouldn't be driving for a reason, and then you have your capable drivers who just happen not to have a license at that age. Like myself for example, when I was 23, I still had yet to get a license for whatever reason ( not much money, no car anyway ) and I was pulled over while driving through a crumby part of town at 3 am. I was a block from my destination, so I got off pretty easy, just a ticket and I walked the rest of the way. Car wasn't reported stolen so it was all good, that and I was an adult, so the cop is like what the hell.

You can be sure that as a 23 year old car enthusiest with no license, I was a better driver than any 16 year old who's knowledge of driving dynamics is comprised of Gas = GO! Break = STOP! So really, it's an individual issue. So ranking drivers would not work without putting them all through Skip Barber. I know an old Ukrainian gentleman, not all there, blind in one eye with a lead foot. How he got a license is a complete mystery. I've ridden with him, it's a scary affair.

As for grown males being only 6 years old inside, who are you calling immature you poopy face? Honestly, I haven't felt older than 18 for years.

[thepolarfoxqx]

If you look at the motives and base thoughts to which the rest of our thought is based on hasn't really progressed much past that of when we were six years old. The ways in which we realize our means and justify ourselves doing so advance, the base thoughts are the same.

[LateNightCable]

The pursuit of Love

... Happiness

... Pleasure

... A full stomach

... Relaxation 8)

... And when you realize it takes a little of this to make it in the world - Ambition

All the basic things that drive us, we develop at a young age, this is simple and true. The technicalities of adulthood form different styles of going about it though. And oh what a crazy adventure.

[thepolarfoxqx]

your view of the world is both compassionate and idealistic. I'd love to believe something like that. A true grounded romantic's view on the world.

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[LateNightCable]

That describes me to a tee. And though I've been through some times, not viewing the world this way I think would make life very depressing. I feel an obligation to myself to create paradise, making idealism a reality. Pure and simple. The possiblity of it keeps me rolling.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i have a sort of unique, though maybe darker and little more difficult to follow philosophy. My outlook is one that tries to fuse pragmatism with idealistic hopes. I'm not the hopeless idealist, not really a romantic either. I don't know, i guess it's whatever works for every individual person.

[LateNightCable]

It's easier to create ideals within one's own environment. Thinking about the condition of the world is what makes things complicated. To be in the world, but not of it - to be a part of it all, but have the ability to detach when you need to. That is a quality worth developing, because a good life at it's core is very simple and elemental. Taking this to heart is actually very pragmatic.

It helps to practice this especially if your the sort who is really irked by injustice, like myself. While the world may never be perfect, the best you can do for yourself and others is to create ideals and live by them within your own life.

[thepolarfoxqx]

meh, i've got a somewhat distant and pragmatic sense of the world. The world inside my head in many ways does not revolve around me personally, it just makes life easier to accept i guess.

[LateNightCable]

Gosh, that must be depressing sometimes. To each his own.

[thepolarfoxqx]

meh, aside from studying to do a job that will bore me and provide a nice lifestyle, I write for pleasure (not that my writing style on here reflects that at all, this is a nice escape from thoughtful writing), and it gives me interesting stuff to work for. Well, Skyy and Absinthe do that too, but we won't go there

[LateNightCable]

Really? I like oatmeal!

[thepolarfoxqx]

Oatmeal works well. That cult, Heaven's Gate, didn't they eat oatmeal with their barbituates and vodka - that they killed themselves with?

Oh well, otherwise it's the breakfast of champions.

As for the Absinthe, apparently you missed my illusion to the numbers of disillusioned expatriated writers who drank it to inspire them (You know, the american greats like stein, hemmingway, FitzGerald and steinbeck). If you've ever had it, it's awful. I think the US and Holland are pretty much the only places you can still get it, and in the US, it's strictly regulated.

[wEstSide]

I don't mean to revive something that might be dead, but comparing Nederland with the U.S. is somewhat ridiculous. Holland has 16 million, U.S. is up to what? 300 million? Got to be up there somewhere, at least the mid-200's. Also, in America, people do some crazy stuff and still have the ability to drive. Driving is ridiculous on the highway.

[thepolarfoxqx]

people in america do some rediculous stuff? You realized holland legalizes things like marijuana right?

[GIR]

Hey lets not get into the drugs thing, I mean I can crack up on several stupid laws in other countries aswell.

Funny thing is that the dutch people are quiet calm and relaxed about the semilegal drug policy. You're only supposed to use it at private places. It's those damn British, French and American drug tourists which cause all the stir. It's illegal in their own country so they come over here...

Too be honest everybody who comes to NL, goes to Amsterdam. What is there in Amsterdam?! Besides the Coffeeshop, redlight district and 2 goos musuems there is absolutely nothing there. It's a completely dead city!

[thepolarfoxqx]

Uh, amsterdam has a pretty big airport.

You could visit slobadan milosavic in the tower of the hague, or see the windmills?

i've heard holland is a beautiful place and a lot of fun (aside from your legalized prostitution and drugs). Just out of curiousity, where do europeans think is the place to go in the US?

[LateNightCable]

I wondered about that. Legalized pot is really not a bad idea, if it's use is confined to private quarters, and if you don't go around in public under the influence of it. Like alcohol. It's true though, people can get crazy when they can do something that is illegal where they come from.

And GIR, any place in Europe is a traval destination to Americans. A dive bar in the states is just a dive bar to us, but a dive bar in Holland would be a quaint pub.

From what I've seen of Amsterdam, there is quite a lot to pay a visit for. It's a city rich in history and artistic culture, you've got the waterways, museums, flower markets, " quaint pubs ", the buildings - many of which are probably older than even the oldest structures in North America. And the Heineken Reception Center, where you can find what it's like to be a beer bottle. And not to mention the red light district, with women advertising themselves in windows. Now to any foreigner, thats' a trip.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i think his point was that amsterdam and its redlight district were all touristy.

As for a dive bar not being a dive bar there, it is too. And there are some nice pubs in new england, as good as anywhere i've ever been.

Legalized pot is not a good idea. You legalize it and it does become a larger problem. Enforcing that whole not in public wouldn't be easy in the US. We are trying to cut down on smoking. In New York City, a pack of cigarettes is $8, in chicago, close to $7, and i think that isn't far enough.

[LateNightCable]

I was kind of joking about the pub/dive bar comparison.

As a non-smoker myself, I would love to see the tax on cigarettes skyrocket evermore as well, with all monies being donated to education and healthcare projects. But in terms of personal freedom to do what you want to do - within reason, pot and it's effects are really a lot like booze, just in smoke form. Pot and booze both have the potential of altering one's state of mind, and their perception. I've never heard of anyone taking a pot overdose. But I agree, we don't need to deal with yet another legal way for people to get whacked. Alcohol takes up enough time.

I've never so much as taken a toke, thats' what it's called I believe, but I have found myself witness to people getting geeked on crack, and people smoking pot. And the pot is much, much more mild from what I've seen.

If it works in Holland, it's okay for them I suppose.