M5 to have 507hp and 520NM

[GIR]

In fact the M5 V10 has the same angle of 90 degree like BMW F1 engine. The oilsupply design is regulated equally as the F1 engine due to cornering forces, Bi-vanos camshaft timing is used on the f1 engine, and the individual throttle butterflies is also being used on the F1 engine. The engine electronics is similar as the piston firing order is the same on the F1 engine. Your right it's all marketing! As also there is the new 7 speed sequential gearbox, like F1. If you ever heard a F1 engine for real you would never compare that with any car engine, the F1 engines are wonders!

1. F1 engines do not use Dual VANOS. F1 engines do not have a camshaft at all, the intake and outlet is regulated by pneumatic valves. They're all regulated independently from each other so I guess that's one point you got right.

2. The F1 cars do not use the same software not same electronics because the processing power on the cars is much greater then on a productionline car. The software is much intelligenter and can report back on a vast array of information. The nominal datatransfer per race is 8GB per car.

3. The oil on a F1 car is cooled by routing it infront of the sidepods. Seeing as productionline cars do not have sidepods....

4. Please you want to compare the lasercut titanium gearbox which uses a truckload of logic to operate and a clutch with the full automatic transmission on a 7 series? Just the torqueconverter on the SMG and Automatic trannies sais enough.

5. The BMW F1 engine is a V10 3 liter. What was this one again?

6. The engineblock and cylinder heads on a F1 engine are all aluminum.

The only thing this engine and the P84 share is that they're both V10 and both 90 degrees. It's all nothing but a marketing trick, they have almost nothing in common!

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[LateNightCable]

Oh, I would'nt say this is all a marketing trick, the proof is in the pudding. Red painted brake calipers, and fake hoodscoops, thats' a marketing trick.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i'd call the new M5's motor F1 inspired, not neccesarily F1 technology. The dry sump lube system is used all over the place, porsche's SUV has it, heck, i think my rover has it too, it's all over. In F1 cars the oil goes through radiators, not so much in the M5. As GIR said, F1 cars are pneumatic valved, and i don't think BMW marketing gives it a name like VANOS-4F1 or something. It being a V10 is part practical, part F1 inspiration. There isn't really another good angle to use. The individual throttle bodies has been on M-Power engines since the late 80s, not really a break through.

I'd put good money that this engine sounds crappy.

V10s have never been known for their melodious nature. The viper sounded sick duck meets volvo meets corvette to me. The high winding M3 sounds bad, so combine the two, well, at least it'l be fast lol.

As for mercedes going down hill, i'll agree. The only thing not to go down hill with merc since their chrysler merger is their prices. They know it too. My understanding is that the new S-Class does definately address this issue at detail and tries to reclaim their image. The new E-Class is fairly respectable. The ML has been the hallmark of their failure, but i think i read something about them moving ML production back to germany, I guess tusculoosa, Al might have been a bit of the issue.

The new M5 will have the most sophisticated roadgoing engine period. Let's just leave it at that and leave out the F1 marketing stuff.

[Thunf]

1. F1 engines do not use Dual VANOS. F1 engines do not have a camshaft at all, the intake and outlet is regulated by pneumatic valves. They're all regulated independently from each other so I guess that's one point you got right.

2. The F1 cars do not use the same software not same electronics because the processing power on the cars is much greater then on a productionline car. The software is much intelligenter and can report back on a vast array of information. The nominal datatransfer per race is 8GB per car.

3. The oil on a F1 car is cooled by routing it infront of the sidepods. Seeing as productionline cars do not have sidepods....

4. Please you want to compare the lasercut titanium gearbox which uses a truckload of logic to operate and a clutch with the full automatic transmission on a 7 series? Just the torqueconverter on the SMG and Automatic trannies sais enough.

5. The BMW F1 engine is a V10 3 liter. What was this one again?

6. The engineblock and cylinder heads on a F1 engine are all aluminum.

The only thing this engine and the P84 share is that they're both V10 and both 90 degrees. It's all nothing but a marketing trick, they have almost nothing in common!

Gir! You are so right! I was very wrong! I was just writing without thinking! I just thought the bi-vanos as variable valve timing for a moment without linking it to a camshaft...! Ofcourse F1 cars got pneumatic valves, car engines don't use them as they don't last for long!

This is what I read and just typed! Marketing trick:

"Specially modified Bi-VANOS camshaft timing, individual throttle butterflies and engine electronics derived from the BMW Williams F1 car make these impressive performance levels possible"

Read this! http://www.bmwworld.com/models/m5.htm

[thepolarfoxqx]

yeah, those people seem to have a lot of good data, but then again, they call it a roadgoing version of the williams BMW F1 motor, which it is not.

[Thunf]

The E60 M5 is very lightweight for its size and engine... where did they find this much weight to be removed? Could the body be made of aluminium like the Audi S8? Is the V10 lighter than the E39 M5 V8? The older E39 M5 was probably one of the heaviest sedans for its size...

[thepolarfoxqx]

Uh, the E39 M5 was the heaviest car of it's size. It had competitors with supercharged engines and all wheel drive that were lighter, so clearly the M5 was heavier than it needed to be. The V10 is lighter, thanks to it's magnesium block and design refinement. The body is more aluminum intensive, it's not an aluminum space frame like A8 or XJ, but it is a much more refined designed for weight, even down to aluminum intensive interior and ultra-light weight sound deadening and seat padding materials. Shaving 250lbs sounds impressive, but remember that the E39 was unneccesarily heavy, even the stodgy E500 was well lighter than the 540i.