2004 M1

[BMW Mojo]

I opened up my new Motor Trend "Car of the Year" special to find some sketches of a return of the M1! Looks very, very cool and is expected to replace the Z8 in BMW's lineup. The goal is to make the car no more than 1,000 Kilos (2,205 lbs)! Williams is working on the suspension package and is codenamed the "Smart Ultralight Special".

Engine will probably be either a 3.6 Liter, 24 valve, magnesium, straight 6 putting out 375 hp. This is only 5.88 pounds for every hp. Another possible engine is a V8, but they don't list any specs for that. Personlly, I'm hoping for the I6. They also say to expect a 6 speed SMG and Dynamic Traction Control. They mention supercharging bringing output to 450 or more hp, but let's hope they keep it naturally aspirated. The supercharged engine would only have to tote around 4.9 lb/hp though. Looks like it's going to be a great car, though.

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[thepolarfoxqx]

Yes, the inline six is supposed to be really something. It should be very similar to the V10 in M5. I also have read the M5 V10 (magnesium block, digital direct ignition, direct gas injection, valvetronic throttle control, and electronic manifold resonance control) - that is a 550hp motor. that is 4lbs/hp. I cannot imagine how fast that would be. I am really hoping for a V8 verison of the M5 V10. As much as I love bimmers big sixes, I just don't think 385 is enough power.

450-500 would be enough to make it the premier supercar on earth.

I think I need to start playing powerball.

[loxionchild]

i suppose that inline beema is working on is really sumthing hey!! do u guys think that with no speed limitor and all those "horses" in the engine the car can go past 300km/h? I hope so cos i don't know of any inlines to go past 300km/h, at least not a road car.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i think that there were some of the 3.8L M5s I6 cars (defineately some alpinas) that may did (if not, really close).

I think it will easily top 300kph.

[loxionchild]

yah well now that i think about it even the Audi S3 can top 300km/h rite, i mean i'm not being precise but most sports cars can do it without speed limiters i think

[thepolarfoxqx]

i heard the number 230mph thrown around (barring limiter)

That is 368kph.

It will easily break 300 without a limiter.

[loxionchild]

heh heh heh heh.... can't wait can't wait!!!!!

[thepolarfoxqx]

i am hoping for an inline six in the M1, if not that, definately the 5.5L V10.

anyone else have any other ideas?

[Shaunt]

Polar, is there any more information on this car? More specifically; where BMW is heading with this car.

The fact that it weighs so little has me very excited, and with 400+ hp, that thing would literally be a beast, .

[thepolarfoxqx]

This is going to be thier supercar entry. A competitor to 911, DB5, 420 Modena, and NSX. It will likely cost in the 120K area. Word is that an inline six may sit in this, hp is to be no less than 450 for production, all wheel drive is a rumor - but as of now, just a rumor. Look for a concept car at paris next year.

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[P.I.M.P]

Its gonna be called the M2 because there already was an M1

[GIR]

Its gonna be called the M2 because there already was an M1

And where did you get this piece of information?

[kleinefisch]

I think that a mid-mounted NA V8 would be the best engine for this car. Like Fox said, an I6 probably won't be enough for supercar status. V10 may be just a little unneccesary. If the car weighs only 2,200 lbs, a V8 with less hp than a V10 (and therefore better fuel consumption) would fit the bill perfectly. I think that it would be bad for the Bimmer image if they made it AWD, thats Audi's job.

[LateNightCable]

At that level, " horsepower " is secondary. It's all in the gearing. Optional gear packages would be a cool thing. You could choose from " acceleration gears " for getting there fast, and " speed gears " for getting there. Like 200+mph. I think the " acceleration gears " would be a much more practical choice though.

The Lotus Esprit was a real supercar for years with only 4 cylinders.

[kleinefisch]

That was years ago, they have moved to 8 cylinders now. the XJ220 was "the" car before the Mclaren and it had 6 cylinders. Today, I think the BMW V8 in the current M5 is the engine for an upcoming Z8 replacement and M1 revival. Multiple gearbox options is interesting, but I highly doubt it will ever happen. Who would ever buy a top-speed gearbox, besides complete fools, because you'll never be able to hit the top speed.

[LateNightCable]

I know the 4 cylinder Esprit was years ago, but a supercar with less than eight cylinders still has merit. Especially now with more and more power being produced out of smaller engines. Speed racers might get the " speed gears ", but it's still silly, just like all this talk of 230+mph speeds. Who is going to be doing that on the road? Thats' not fun, thats' crazy.

BMW is going to increase their six to 3.5 liters at some point soon I heard. V8s', V12s' same old same old. But a " super six " would be a facinating concept.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i hope they bring back the back six, it was the great six that made BMW.

[Arty25]

the car is nothing short of truly amazing

[thepolarfoxqx]

seeing as BMW needs this to be a homerun, and they'd have to make it unimaginably light to pull it off with a super six, my bets are that it will get the new M3's super V8 or the M5's wicked V10, both of which are supremely lightweight and potent. Either would make that small of a car close to untouchable.

Porsche 911, be afraid, very afraid. If anyone could threaten the 911, it's BMW.

[m.calabria]

Its gonna be called the M2 because there already was an M1

I thought the M2 is gonna be the M version of the Golf-Class BMW! I wouldn't bet, though.

[m.calabria]

I think that a mid-mounted NA V8 would be the best engine for this car. Like Fox said, an I6 probably won't be enough for supercar status. V10 may be just a little unneccesary. If the car weighs only 2,200 lbs, a V8 with less hp than a V10 (and therefore better fuel consumption) would fit the bill perfectly. I think that it would be bad for the Bimmer image if they made it AWD, thats Audi's job.

I don't think that would be a bad thing to make it 4 wheel drive, as the 0-100 km/h acceleration can be improved with 4 wheel drive, better traction, and with BMW's new 4 wheel drive system they can make it handle almost like an rearwheel driven car. Better than any 4 wheel drive by Audi or Porsche, I believe.

[Kevin321]

no way RWD all the way.

[LateNightCable]

Well, we know it isn't going to be FWD. BMW has already said before that it would never go that route with any car. A car of under 3,000 lbs. would most likely get an M Power V8, which would definitely get the job done and more. Since efficient power, rather than overkill is more in line with BMW practice.

I feel that BMW is experiencing a high point in it's history of making engines, but that it's being wasted on unattractive cars.

[thepolarfoxqx]

it will be RWD, why would it not?

[m.calabria]

it will be RWD, why would it not?

If you can have the benefits of a AWD while accelerating on a straight, but then the car handles around the corner like a RWD, what's so bad about that? I think the real sportscar handling is RWD, no question. But BMW's AWD will shift power from the front to the back in order to maximize the cornering abilities.

But on a traditional point of view, l really like the RWD BMW's. But I wouldn't be against the AWD option either. The problem is, AWD is extra weight, which kind of doesn't fit into a light weight car like M1 will be.