Who tunes the best, Mercedes AMG or BMW M?

[riconijhof]

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[Seb2]

Hard to say. I think they are aiming for different goals. ///M is more racing. But if we look at the engines in my mind ///M is the better. Hehe just check the F1 wich team got the best engine?=). Maby the new Mercedes supercharged 5.5l v8 makes more power and torque then all engines in the ///M program i think if ///M would supercharge one of their engines we would see a better engine.

[thepolarfoxqx]

BMW's ///M is superior because their engines get the performance numbers equal to those of MB's AMG without the use of a blower. ///M Cars are more sports cars (all have manual trannies) vs. the AMG"s power broker crusier style (all automatics). I have respect for both, but ///M takes my vote.

[riconijhof]

I think the cars of M are much faster and more sportscars. AMG builds nice cars but they're not 'really' fast. It's more luxury.

[thepolarfoxqx]

The SLK32 (supercharged 18V 3.2L V6 - 349hp) makes it from 0-60 in 4.6 with a 5spd auto

The 2003 SL55 (supercharged 5.4L 24v 493hp) makes it from 0-60 in 4.3 seconds with a 5 spd auto.

These are numbers no current M car can match. The M's are sportier, but the AMG cars are definately fast.

But I am confident with a V8 M3 and V10 M5 in the works, M has acceleration under control.

[850 Ci]

All i haf to say is gooooooooooooo bmw m goooooooooo whoooooooooo

[thepolarfoxqx]

bmw needs all the cheerleaders they can get. With Audi and Mercedes taking an early lead in the performance sector, and a madman in the body design shop (yes bangle - i'm takin'to you) - they are for the first time an underdog.

BTW - did you see the new Dinan M5 - 470hp naturally aspirated. If he can get 470 out of the 4.9 without any sort of trick aspiration - imagine what is possible with an all new V10?

Yeah, pretty cool huh?

[850 Ci]

for bmw its great to be an underdog for a bit and blow merc away in the future

[thepolarfoxqx]

Bimmer has never been one before. Since the seventies, they have been the dominent company in sports sedans. In this case- now we have 3 brands of compitent sports sedans instead of one.

[850 Ci]

ture well i no BMWS going to find a way

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[thepolarfoxqx]

I think it is good that we have not only a great BMW, but a Mercedes and an Audi capable of competing. - A flavor for everyone.

[850 Ci]

yeah

[T88TurboStang]

ok, for power to performance (weight) ratio, mercedes sucks, and bmw rules in that category. But the thing is that mercedes is 5 years ahead of every other manufacturer by far in performance, handling, and technonoly, even more htan bmw or audi could ever be. Just look how bmw can get more hp out of N/A cars, than anyother manufacter who either force induces theri car, or puts massive litters .I am a die hard bmw fan, always was and alwasy will, ever since i drove my uncles M1, wow, and also the fact taht the greatest car ever produced, the mclaren, is powered by a bmw factory ening, straight from the 850 V12 bmw, so i guess this is a hard question. For all out performance, go with bmw, for technology and great conveinience, go with mercedes. i personally would love to own both in my garage......

[thepolarfoxqx]

Drive them both. A mercedes, while powerful feels sedate, while muscular. They feel like larger cars. BMWs are edgy, screem sporty, and are the most technologically advanced.

Look at the engines, no one builds an engine with the tech of a BMW.

BMW was building engines on the level which mercedes does now - a decade ago.

Between

Dual VANOS (infineately variable valve timing)

Valvetronic (the most advanced intake control - it has no throttle)

GDI : (gas direct injection, a 25% increase in fuel efficency)

Direct Acting Valve Finger (no rocker arms, why the m3 E46 motor so freely revs)

No other car company employs these. Simply the best.

Odds are, if it exists, and is worth having, bimmer has it.

Mercedes engines are yet to employ variable valve timing.

[imported_fao]

We are just only consumers Polarfox, we cannot say who is more technologically advanced. Remember Mercedes introduced airbag, esp, distronic, abs and all that electronically things. Also we have to remember that Mercedes is the only fabricant that applies a treatment to the motors to reduce friction (that is why Mercedes motors have longlife) and has investigation for aerospace materials and products. I am not saying that bmw is not tech. advance but Mercedes also has some interesting things.

[thepolarfoxqx]

no doubt mercedes has some interesting advances, you know the average life of a volvo engine is longer than that of a mercedes engine. Also, Nissan uses a molybdenum coating on the pistons of their higher performing cars for reduced friction. I am saying when you get into a Merc, and then a BMW, the feeling of the bmw is more that of being high tech. As far as performance innovations go, i don't know that there can be much question.

[imported_fao]

I think I would choose M, beamers are sportier cars than Mercedes, Ithink so.

[thepolarfoxqx]

don't get me wrong, merc. makes an awsome car, and I'd never complain about driving one, but if given a choice between comperable M and AMG cars, the M is always going to be more of a kick to drive

I agree all the way.

[izzyloveslizzy]

AMG/Brabus/Renntech/Lorinser for Mercs, and Hamann and the other one (can't remember what it was called) for Beemers.

[thepolarfoxqx]

Dinan.

Steve Dinan.

I would sooner drive a steve dinan machine than an M car (better yet, a steve dinan M car!). Hartge does some cool things with bimmers too (like the 4.9L M5 engine in a 330 body)

[GIR]

Everybody knows I am the biggest Merc buf on this forum. And even I as a big Mercedes fan have to admit that the engines tuned by M way out match the engines tuned by AMG.

[izzyloveslizzy]

M engines are nicer to begin with, GIR.

And Fox, I wasn't thinking of Dinan at all, but now that you mention it, yeah. Also, according to other BMW buffs Hartge does some amazing wheels too, so they may be a best al-rounder for Beemers. There's many more out there. I just an't remember the names. There isn't too much hype around modifying beemers, apparently. Not as much as Mercs anyway.

[thepolarfoxqx]

It comes down to this, M engines scream race-car. AMG engines are just beastlier cruiser engines.

BMWs are sportier, and simply lend themselves to being tuned for sportiness.

I'd love to see the Dinan Rolls Phantom or RennTech Maybach.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Hey that's a good idea. You're thinking! I have another idea: how about AMG and MotorSport get together and (with help from other modders) make their own sports car? Kind'a like the S7 that was done by Saleen. I mean Saleen isn't exactly known for "making" it's own cars; rather, they modify and tweak Fords and in some rare ocasions Mercurys and Lincolns (very rare!). Merceds and BMW should send forth their MotorSport and AMG subsidiary warriors to answer the S7 threat. Now THAT would be a competition!

[thepolarfoxqx]

it would never ever ever happen. BMW is famous for staying indapendant. They would sooner die than get near anyone associated with chrysler. BMW has the M1 coming out, which will no doubt be a great car, but if they hooked up with - a small supercar builder - they could do amazing things. AMG is already working with McLaren to make the SLR.