This area should not even exist.

[thepolarfoxqx]

sure, they are tail light, are geared tall, and have emmense torque. The Cobra R is like an old ferrari, it could post amazing hanlding numbers, if you hit it just right. Z06 is a much more well rounded car, but the new SVT Cobra promises to give the standard vette a run for its money, and of course, there are aftermarket tuners who will gladly sell you a Cobra tweaked faster than a Z06 for the same price as a Z06 (and that still seats 4 no less.). Too bad the new Supercharged 4.6 sounds like a floor polisher though.

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Hallo ChrisDV,

 

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[Gasman2595]

And the drivers here make it very unsafe to drive fast, they are unable (or won't allow it) to co-exist with those who prefer to enjoy higher speeds. But that is a discussion for a different time, on a different board.

I TOTALLY AGREE!!!! If I could, I would make it MUCH harder to get a drivers license.

[thepolarfoxqx]

yes, it should be more difficult to get one (people who are just complete morons need not be on the road).

Keep in mind a great deal of the people you see driving very aggressively/wrecklessly fast would pass the test even if you did make it much harder.

[djfux69]

even though this is way off topic i also i agree but it hink they should offer a different kind of drivers liscence for more experienced drivers... and maybe different plates on your car to distinguish yourself... maybe with this it could allow you to go 20-30 over the limit in america.. i cant stand how slow the speed limit is here... but maybe its better because there are a lot of idiot drivers that think that if they drive fast that means that they can drive good. i have had a couple friends die recently because of these idoit drivers that wail through quiet roads and lose control hitting a pedestrian..... rip luke and ski.... jan 1 2003

[thepolarfoxqx]

I strongly believe in the US there should be a higher level liscense for those who pass a much more rigorous test, pay a signifigant fee, and have a capable car (no one in a geo metro may apply). You could bring a little transmitter like device (like an EZ Pass) to tell the cop you are good to go.

In minnesota where I live, once you are out of the twin cities, speed limits go to 70, cops don't care if you go 80 - at all. With a radar detector you can drive 90-100 comfortably.

When I am out in the east coast though, I am afraid.

[Bugattisrking]

ok you shouldn't say american cars suck. I mean US came out with AMC, Arnolt Auburn

Avanti Buick Cadillac (

Callaway Chaparral Chevrolet

Chrysler Cord Cunningham

Dallara Infiniti Dodge Eagle

Fabcar Ford GM

GMC Holman/Moody Hummer

Jeep Kaiser Lincoln

Mercury Morgan Mosler

Oldsmobile Packard Panoz

Plymouth Pontiac Saleen

Saturn Scarab Shadow

Shelby Studebaker Vector So shut up.

[thepolarfoxqx]

give the american companies a few years, you won't even be able to tell a difference between american and european cars (no really, all the american cars coming out are based on their european cousin's platforms).

Speaking of strange, did you know the next F-150 pickup will have 4 wheel indapendant suspension?

[jRaskell]

Exactly what car platforms are we talking about here anyways? This is an American Supercars board, so I'm assuming it's about American sports cars specifically.

We'll start with the basics...

Pontiac GTO, based on the Australian Monero. There's one.

Camaro and Firebird. Discontinued, but they'll probably be back, and they'll be on their own platform, I can assure you that.

Corvette. This car has ALWAYS been it's own platform, never shared, never will.

Mustang. Current Fox platform is strictly American. Next gen based on the Lincoln LS platform, which is also strictly American.

Ford GT40. Come on, that one is a no brainer.

Dodge Viper. See Corvette and GT40.

That pretty much covers the American sports cars. One out of the bunch.

The Aztec? Nothing super about that. Ditto for the Solstice and it's brethren, the Neon (which is still American anyways), and the Focus. Basically, the only vehicles sharing anything with their 'European counterparts' are the Import competitors and the commuter lines. American Supercars following Europe? That's just not going to happen.

Oh, and it's just the F150 Lightning that's getting a 4-wheel independant suspension, you know, the supercharged Ford sports truck. All their other truck lines still use a solid rear axle.

[thepolarfoxqx]

The car world is becoming a global community.

For instance you say the lincoln LS is an all american platform. Well Not Quite.

In fact LS, Thunderbird, the upcoming Mustang, Jaguar S-Type, and 2004 Jaguar XJ-Type all ride on the DEW-Light platform. Actually, jaguar was responsible for its development, first debuting it on the S-Type. The V8 for T-Bird and LS is a lincoln modified Jaguar AJ-V8.

The Fox body is an amazing car for being on a 25 year old platform

The Camaro/Firebirds were not selling - at all. It may be a few years yet before GM thinks about jumping back into that market.

GT40 will, I believe upon its launch become the preeminent american car, as it will be a factory vehicle capable of taking on europes best, Viper is cool just because it looks wild, is a handful to drive, and packs 8.3L worth of V10. Corvette is an american classic. Don't forget the Tuner Cars, the SVT Cobras, Roush and Saleen Mustangs, Lingerfelter Vettes, and Saleen S7s.

[GIR]

I strongly believe in the US there should be a higher level liscense for those who pass a much more rigorous test, pay a signifigant fee, and have a capable car (no one in a geo metro may apply). You could bring a little transmitter like device (like an EZ Pass) to tell the cop you are good to go.

In minnesota where I live, once you are out of the twin cities, speed limits go to 70, cops don't care if you go 80 - at all. With a radar detector you can drive 90-100 comfortably.

When I am out in the east coast though, I am afraid.

You have no idea how much I hate people who drive wreckless... I admit it, sometimes I love to see how far I can push my S500, drive a higher speed then allowed, but I always make sure it's safe. With a car like S500 (with ABC ESP and ABS) it is safe todo that. But everyday I see some moron in a Opel Kadet GTI or some tuned Golf 2 doing unsafe manuevers in heavy traffic.

Just because these morons don't know the limtis of their cars and don't know howto be calm the government has to imposse allkinds of speed limits... and I'm not allowed to occasionaly punch the gasspedal!

Very weak!

What I really really hate is these morons who put a different exhaust under their cars so it makes a very deep sound and think they just turned their v4 1.4 into a Formula 1 car!

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Hallo ChrisDV,

 

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[GIR]

AMERICAN CARS ARE TUNED FOR THE AMERICAN MARKET

IF THE MARKET IN AMERICA HAD THE SAME TASTES AS THE EUROPEAN

MARKET THEN I ASURE YOU THAT YOU WOULD SEE MORE "EUROPEAN STYLE CARS" AROUND JUST THE SAME IF YOU WANT A EUROPEAN CAR ONE COULD JUST GET ONE AND IF YOU WANTED AN AMERICAN CAR THEN YOU COULD JUST GET ONE AS WELL

PEOPLE LIKE DIFFERENT THINGS AND AMERICANS LIKE CARS THAT YOU CAN UPGRADE IN YOUR BACKYARD HAVE IT WORK RIGHT NOT SOME TECHNICAL PILE OF SCHIT THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL ANOTHER 14 YEARS TO UNDERSTAND

THATS Y AMERICAN CARS ARE BETTER.

Aside from the all caps which is so so rude, i'll try to point a flaw in your reasoning.

First you say that everybody has their own taste and that American cars are tailored for the American market. Then you claim that American cars are better cause Americans want to be able to upgrade their cars easily without speaking the lingo and knowing the tech.

Isn't that a oxymoron?

I agree with you that American cars are made for the American way of life and hence is suited for Americans. But what I do not agree on is that American cars are the best. American cars may match the performance of European an Japanese cars but they do so only by means of bigger engines or bad mileage. We've seen some impressive changes in the American car industry and they're staring to roll out some impresive cars, BUT there's still lots of improvement room in the American car industry.

I personally do not like American cars (and yes I have driven a few) because mostly they're big, inefficient and do not have the luxury and comfort of european cars. You are speaking to a born Benz freak btw, so I guess it's kinda in my blood.

[thepolarfoxqx]

well, you have to understand, americans do not make the world's best luxury sedans. You are right, ours do tend to have large engines, lack fuel economy, and cannot compete with a jaguar, bmw, audi, or benz for interior panache. In fact, most of the better american luxury sedans are based on platforms from overseas (lincoln LS - DEW Lite platform - ie. jaguar S-Type). American sports cars although - are definately world class. A corvette - while having a large 5.7L V8, has a better combined fuel efficency than an M3, SLK32, Boxster S, 911, or M5. It is as fast as any of those, will handle equally competently, is statistically as reliable (or better), and costs less than any. While its interior may not be as classy or upscale, it is still very habitable. One area where american's are unchallenged is the realm of trucks. American SUVs and Pickups are simply the standard.

[GIR]

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EUROPEAN CARS ARE NOT BAD CARS

BUT THEY SOUND LIKE A SISSY LIL WINDUP TOY THAT WILL WHEN YOU PUSH THE THROTLE

I HAVE A 73 NOVA 454(AFTERMARKET) *SOMETHIN EUROPEANS CANT DO* WITH HURST SYSTEMS

I DONT NEED MILLIONS OF GADGES TO TELL WHEN TO SHIFT

I CAN HEAR THE DAMN THING AND SO CAN THE GUY A MILE AWAY

THAT HOW I LIKE IT THATS HOW MY DAD LIKES IT AND THATS HOW HIS DAD LIKED IT

I WILL DRIVE OVER ANYTHING YOU GOT WITH MY F-250 MUD RUNNER

8)

First off, I highly doubt you ever drove a supercar or have a drivers licence for that matter. That being said I also highly doubt you have any idea on how car design works. Just because a car is loud doesn't mean it is fast. I could break of the end silencer of my girlfriends Golf 3 (diesel) and it would sound just as loud.

I would recommend you drive a Ferrari or a Lamborghini (which you probably can't seeing as you are under aged) because those cars are not only loud but because the engine is mounted directly onto the frame you can feel the engine vibrating through the car and so can the person driving in the lane next to you, really stunning experience.

Also what is this about trinkets you are talking about? Lamborghini for one doesn't use any electronic gadgets. Just an engine, the car and you, no turbo, no supercharger, no nothing.

I currently own a Mercedes S500 (2001 model) and kinda own a Golf 3. Because of a crash most recently I'm thinking of buying a CL55 possibly a CL65. I highly doubt you can beat that.

Seeing as you are missing the point here, but have said it a few times your self, i'll try to be as direct as possible. A car is a personal thing. there is no such thing as a better car. I for one like my cars to be luxurious and comfortable but at the same time fast when I need it to be, Mercedes is all that. You like your cars to be loud, a few brands can be that. But just because a person or a population group likes one brand or type of car does not make that car better.

What we are debating here is the technical refinement and driving experience. Sure anybody can drop in a huge engine into any car and make it go fast. But the trick however is to make it go fast by using as little as possible and in the same time give you an experience which just blows your mind away.

The original author claims that American supercars aren't supercars at all but just cars with big engines in them. I disagree (not fully) with the original author because like I said a supercar is defined by technical refinement and driving experience. Altho American cars may not be technicaly refined (just cars with big engines in them) as their European or Japanese counterparts, they do deliver a unique driving experience, which puts them into the supercar category. Not everybody likes the same things, that makes us human, I personally do not like the driving experience of an american car others however do and gasp at a Viper or a Corvette.

[thepolarfoxqx]

First off. Please watch language use on this forum. It is out of hand, and there are younger readers on this board.

Secondly, american cars and european cars sit on a nearly even playing field. Overall, you can get a better performing european car, but dollar for dollar, american cars offer the most zip. Sure you can put a huge engine in any car, but the thrill to me is to drive a car every day that can go to the absolute limit. I have a freind with a 400hp custom V8 (a 302 bored with tons of modifications) in his 3,000lb rwd ford ranger pickup truck. It is very fast, and by no means an everyday car. On the other hand, an M3, S4, C32, Cobra, or to some extent a corvette can be used as an everyday. Some 500 cubic inch monster cannot be driven everyday, and a 130,000 dollar mercedes is not really a practical car for its price and cost of upkeep.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well, firstly way to watch your language like PolarFox said, people.

Secondly, GIR is right!

Third: As far as the unreliability issue goes, American Cars are beginning to get better, but they are still not as reliable as German or Japanese cars. Of course I still don't know how you can even put Honda and Mercedes in the same sentence, but that's a somewhat different story.

Furthermore, American cars may not be as good as German cars (they just aren't), but at least as far as design is concenrned, Ford and GM divisions are pumping out some absolutely eye-popping designs (look at the New 2004 Mustang SVT Cobra, and new Cadillacs...). And besides they're beginning to catch up as far as horsepower is concerned.

I don't think this subject should have been created with just the idea that Americans Cars are not good (because I think we can all admit American cars are VERY good). The US auto industry has always been one of the most innovative in everything (look at the Ford Model U or the GM HyWire).

And so what if they had some disadvantages. At least they're not unimaginative like Japanese cars or pointless like Italian cars or just downright crazy with horsepower and super-edgy like German cars. To argue without reason and provide no support for what your argument is based on is pointless.

Also, to "american_mad_man", that's very childish. You should at least argue your case like someone who knows about cars of all kinds. I may be wrong, but blind and rude patriotism and flaming others with rudeness on these forums are unacceptable as far as the agreement goes, right Rolland?

[izzyloveslizzy]

Oh I forgot to mention one thing: PolarFox, Mercedes-Benz and other companies of it's kind aren't exactly about practicality. They're about luxury, comfort and style to the point of madness. If Mercedes-Benz were going to stick to building cars that were "Practical", you wouldn't see so many insanely-powerful cars and luxury models such as the Maybach. Instead all Mercedes-Benz models would be affordable for the average joe, and they would all get 70 Miles to the gallon, emit 90g/KM CO2, and be practical for everything you can dream of. That's just my two cents (well, more like two bucks).

[EMINEM]

HOW IS EVERYONE TODAY? OK? WELL THATS GREAT BUT I HAVE ONE QUESTION. PLEASE NOBODY GET MAD OR OFFENDED BY THIS BUT HOW COME PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT CARS I MEAN WHY NOT MUSIC OR GAMES?

[EMINEM]

Why is everyone getting so pissed off over something so stupid? If someone doesnt like the same ** car you like well thats just their opinion so stop acting like ** childeren!

[izzyloveslizzy]

That's the whole point of this site EMINEM. And please keep the use of "questionable" language to a minimum (preferrably none). I could swear too, but this is supposed to be a friendly message environment that kids can use too. Also, to answer your question about why we're not talkin' about music or games, as u can see it's a car forum. But I'm not gonna stop you. Feel free. What music or games do you wanna talk about?

[thepolarfoxqx]

Alright First. No more questionable language. No questions asked. If the problem continues, the forum will close. All posts with bad language are from now forward going to be deleted promptly - no questions asked. If you continue to post profanity everywhere, there will be consequences.

Grow up. All things considdered, japanese cars, american cars, and european cars are all very good. Dollar for dollar, european cars aren't so great, but if money is no option, they are tops. American and japanese cars offer different philosophies of compromise between performance, quality, and cost.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Wow you've got quite a bit of power don't you (well, I guess you ARE a moderator....). But would you really close the forums for that? Besides I think (if you're talking about the new user EMINEM), you might cut her a break. Apparently she's very new to the forums. But I guess people SHOULD read the agreement.... Whatever, not my problem.

And as far as the dollar-for-dollar thing, I think BMWs are pretty close to others as far as cost-over-perormace ratios and stuff go, don't ya think?

[thepolarfoxqx]

If there is an uncontrollable language problem on a forum strand, or it drifts way too far off topic, I may have to shut one down. I really hope I would never have to, but if it is neccesary, it will be done. I really don't want to have to cut or close things, but the language must be kept in check.

This is a very touchy subject. We all love our cars very much, but remember that the other guy loves his car as much as you.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well anyways the perpetrator's been iggied "or blocked" so that's the end of that. Let's get back to normal car conversation now....

[thepolarfoxqx]

cadillac is going to place an LS1 V8 into the cadillac CTS, will it hack it against S4, C32, or M3?

[izzyloveslizzy]

How mch does the standard V8 LS1 make (HP)? Is that engine Torquey enough to compete? I like the CTS but I never liked the engine, so if what you're saying is gonna happen, then the CTS is finally getting the engine it deserves!