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[ChrisDV]

I hate to rag on the american auto industries. But... They are complete shit! Errr... They are horrible cars! I wish they could become more like honda or mercedes. They are sooo unreliable.

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[Gast RolandK]

Chris, from your point of view why is Honda and Mercedes better than american supercars?

Tell us your opinion.

Roland

[Seb2]

Vipers and vettes are very nice cars.

[Shaunt]

On 2001-09-21 23:08, Seb wrote:

Vipers and vettes are very nice cars.

Very true!

[imported_Roger]

I've never driven a Viper, but between my father and myself we've owned a '69, '74, '78, '85, and 2001 Corvette. The older cars were semi-unreliable, it took a lot of work to keep them in their best condition. The '85 was a very nice car, very reliable, but it had too much road noise and some body squeaks. So far the 2000 has been a dream. There are very few cars I would enjoy more for carving along canyon roads than the 2001 Vette. It's not perfect, but it has become a top notch sports car.

With that said, now that I'm back in the States I almost prefer a mini-van. I hate always looking over my shoulder for cops, knowing that they get excited to pull over sports cars for 70 mph. And the drivers here make it very unsafe to drive fast, they are unable (or won't allow it) to co-exist with those who prefer to enjoy higher speeds. But that is a discussion for a different time, on a different board.

But I digress, I love the new machines we are putting out, I only hope we can continue, and even improve them!

[FrazerNash]

The american car-philosophy is totally different from the german or japanese... in Germany we have small streets and it would be very dificult to drive threw towns with Suburbans or Caddies from the 60ies or 70ies. If one car from 100 is like that in Germany it´s not so horrible, but if I imagine hundreds of cars would be so huge.... then I´ll be lifelong pedestrian. :razz:

[sadak]

USA have very good cars for all tastes. You are claiming because you don´t live at Brazil where you will pay $100000 (dollars) for a new M3 or $400000 (dollars) for a new F360 Spider.

[thepolarfoxqx]

American cars are growing much more reliable. The american manufacturers are moving to international powertrain layouts. For instance, the Duratech by Ford in various forms powers: Mazda Millenia, Mazda 626, Mazda 6, Mercury Cougar, Ford Taurus, and Jaguar X-Type and S-Type 3.0. Similarly, GM's 346 LS1 is used on three continents as well. It is used here in corvette, camaro, firebird (and is the base for Vortec III), in Australia, it powers the holden commodore and monaro, and it powers various Opels in europe. GM is also bringing its Epsilon platform (Opel Vectra) to sweeden for the new Saab 9-3 and to the US for Grand Am and Malibu to ride on. GM is also getting rid of its current fuel injector technology (which is probably the least reliable in the civilized world) in favor of a new PGM FI system - similar to what honda/acura uses. If you look at the new american cars, they are may not be as vault-like as mercedez - but they cost half as much, and they may not be so practically engineered as honda, but are arguably more exciting. America is truly becomming world class in terms of quality (hey, BMW, Mercedes Benz, Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and Suzuki have north american manufactuing facilities, and no one challenges their reliability?

[LOTUSV8]

I own a 1991 Corvette ZR1 and its a wonderful car! Those American quality issues are non issues and are promoted by those who never really liked American cars to begin with.

[thepolarfoxqx]

As good of a car as ZR1 is, corvette in general has enough cheap plastic on the interior to build lego land. Average life span on american cars is tens of thousands of miles shorter than that of european and japanese cars. Admitted american cars have many advantages - and are getting better everyday - for a long time the american auto industry was stagnant. Now the big 3 are moving toward making cars that will be best of class. The american style of automaking is very different than that of anyone else, that is why so much objection comes. When Daimler Benz needed a big engine for its Maybach limo, the used advanced turbo technology to boost their 5.5L v12 to do the job. When Cadillac needed power for its new body on frame V16 car, they welded two northstar v8s together. Because of the affordability of cars in the us, ours tend to be a little hedonistic and crude. New cars coming out prove that we can build as good as anyone else - in some areas better. No one questions the fact America builds the best light trucks in the world.

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[T88TurboStang]

ok first of all.... the you look at small displacement engines in all countries and off course they are goign to do well as compared to large displacement..... japan relies on forced induction and high compression....europe as well relies on eveything...but mostly tune. tune.tune. and more tune.... americans drop big helfty v8s into their cars... and stiff chassis.... sell them to consumers who want a fast car at a good price.....i see more bmws. mercedes. and acuras in the shop than most american cars.... and have you ever driven and american car... haha no.. how do i konw that... well easy my freind... this post would not even be here if you did..... :roll:

[thepolarfoxqx]

The reason european cars and japanese cars are in the shop so often is because they have engines pushed the very edge, american cars have their own very unique and very fun feel. They feel like sheer unadulterated power. American engines may be technically crude in some respects, but the work. The work well, and dollar for dollar, no one can pump more power than the red white and blue. Can you do wild burnouts with a japanese tuned 4 banger like you can with a big American V8, of course not. Different cars for different people. I think there is something to be respected about american engineering, who else can convert a truck engine for heavy duty hauling to power one of the world's premier supercar motors?

[T88TurboStang]

dude the next world greatest supre car is the Saleen S7.... lol wow 7 liter 550 hp, in a 2700 lb car.. i think maybe less actually... 200 plus mph.... 0-6- under 4.... and as steve saleen stated.... 1/4 mile will prob be in the 10s. The car sits 4 inches lower than a diablo... weighs about hte same as a mclaren.... has as much power and if not more than a Ferrari/porsche... i mean i bet nothing except maybe the mclaren and some rare cars like hte bugatti eb110 ss will match to this car.. mauahahhaa, muahahahah muahahahahaha

[Audisport]

I personaly do not like american cars. I feel that they are not well thought out and just mass produced. Like for example take the aztec, i can see where they were going with that design it had potential. But the problem was they didn't test the waters before commiting themselves. If they would have polled the general public or done more reasearch on current trends and choosen one to use things could have been better. All the american car companies have issues but im not saying europeans don't either because they do. The American car compainies choose about a zillion different trends and stlying ques and throw them together and mass produce it. For example the 2005 Mustang, has a great name and a reputaion for power but they took the old design and fused it together with the new one and it looks like crap. Caddillac is said to be America's luxury car, and high quality, have you ever seen a 10 year old caddillac that hasn't been repainted or restored? No? didn't think so and thats becasue its sitting behind bubba's trailer in 3 foot deep weeds turning into a flower pot. Thank you for your time.

THeskyliner

[thepolarfoxqx]

Well, you are just talking about a few american cars, Aztek was a failure, Cadillac, and GM have long had quality control issues. The mustang has as much styling theme as many european marque's sports cars. American cars give you the most bang for the buck. 'Nuff said.

[T88TurboStang]

I personaly do not like american cars. I feel that they are not well thought out and just mass produced. Like for example take the aztec, i can see where they were going with that design it had potential. But the problem was they didn't test the waters before commiting themselves. If they would have polled the general public or done more reasearch on current trends and choosen one to use things could have been better. All the american car companies have issues but im not saying europeans don't either because they do. The American car compainies choose about a zillion different trends and stlying ques and throw them together and mass produce it. For example the 2005 Mustang, has a great name and a reputaion for power but they took the old design and fused it together with the new one and it looks like crap. Caddillac is said to be America's luxury car, and high quality, have you ever seen a 10 year old caddillac that hasn't been repainted or restored? No? didn't think so and thats becasue its sitting behind bubba's trailer in 3 foot deep weeds turning into a flower pot. Thank you for your time.

dude .....hav eyou seen your audi TTs...looks like somthing my god schitt out....if you think about it;...every manufacturer makes a fuvked up car once in a while.....i mean look what porsche is doin wiht the cayenne...and the maybach.....omg...wtf....even volkwagen with its atrocities.....american cars are safe..reliable...and fit to american wallet range wihtout sucking them dry.....and if you look at the true american super cars......they will match anything you can bring out of europe or the asian market.....

[thepolarfoxqx]

Look to america to be producing some of (if the the premier) super car(s) in the next few years.

If loud pushrod V8s don't meet your fancy, the european have been making stellar high tech masterpieces for years.

Simply a matter of taste.

[Audisport]

In reply to the man with the strong oppinion of the audi tt. This is a forum where people voice their oppions and personal preferences so don't force your belifes onto the others. Im sorry but i have the money to purchase these cars so i enjoy them and have the luxery of having them. Take my skyline for example its dynoed at 743Hp (no nos) ive put a good 30,000 into that car and its been well worth it. I imported it myself from japan 2 years ago when i purchased it. My lambo I purchased at RM auctions at one in California 3 years ago. I have spent many hours tuning and makeing it look and run as if it was new. Its a personal preferance, im sure there are some sick and twisted people out there who are in love with the aztec and treat theirs like a baby. Thats fine its their money and their car. Now the the second reply, i couldn't agree with you more. American car companies are finaly stepping in the right direction and taking more time in production and development of their new line of cars. You state my point exactly it doesn't matter what someone else likes its what you like and want and there is no reason to get angry or nasty like many others do when people do not agree with them.

THEskyliner

[T88TurboStang]

woooo wooo you need to calm down there buddy...dont take internet to seriuosly bro..i was stating my view too iw as just trying to prove a point that every manufacturere makes ungly cars...you dont hvae to get all defensive about it......sheeesh..... and ok i invested12 gs into my car...fully built motor..bottom end and top...T88 turbo...6 speed tranny...new rear end 9 inches....410 gears..drag suspension.. etc etc...and my car put down a health697 rwph...and that is only partly tuned...i havnt gotten my correct intake manifold nor correct chip..i should put over 750 rwhp.....and it looks sexy....so there is nothing wrong with my domestic here.....i didnt mean to bash you....i myself was stating my "opinion" and trying to prove apoint......man like my buddy always sais...."arguing on the internet is like hte special olympics...even if you win your still retarted".....

[thepolarfoxqx]

in response to your little signature at the bottom.

American cars can and do keep up in speed (indeed, the 0-60, quarter mile, and 0-100 tittles are all held by american tuner cars at the moment).

And style is a matter of opinion.

[djfux69]

interesting... i never thought of american cars being super cars..... i think american cars have come a long way in design and performance but they stil have a long way to go... the american mentality is bigger is better... sure they have amazing acceleration but who cares how fast i can accelerate..... when the first turn comes up i want to keep the car on the road.. i have driven the viper and the ws6 and they are no where near as controllable as any european supercar... the engines are massive but dont produce as much power as they should for their size... also weight is a problem with american cars... or maybe suspension??? all i know is that i drove the new 2003 mustang gt and the first turn i took ... relatively slow it felt like i was driving a mini van... rediculous.... american cars have gotten better though so i am not tryin to say that they are garbage... i would just take any import over any domestic anyday

[thepolarfoxqx]

Well, keep in mind that Saleens and Ford GTs are designed for the expressed purpose of race car style handling. The Cobra R turned over a skidpad of over 1g.

[djfux69]

that is true the cobra r did put out over 1g skidpad. but i think for the price its not worth it especially for ride quality. it also has an impressive quarter mile... but again im not impressed with the price of the car.

[thepolarfoxqx]

It is a car meant for one thing - and only one thing. Sheer performance.

For 55,000 dollars, nothing comes close to it.

There are more well rounded cars, Corvette, 911, XKR, M5, NSX, etc.

[djfux69]

it does have a lot of power.. but h eard that the cobra r had problems in handling. they said it was hard to take turns because of loss of traction in the rear. i remeber it got second of american exotics though.. corvette z06 was first and the viper was third. viper had the same problem in cornering.