2003 Mercedes-Benz CL 65 AMG

[Rishy]

anyone know where i can get pics and details for this one ?

saw pic of the rear...looks sweeet....

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Hallo Rishy,

 

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[GIR]

BenzWorld writes:

CL 65 AMG: 1000 Newton metres of torque already available at 2000 rpm

Mercedes-AMG is the creator of yet another automotive masterpiece which celebrates its world premiere in Geneva. The new CL 65 AMG continues the success-ful twelve-cylinder tradition of Mercedes-AMG with an up-to-date V12 power unit which exhibits stunning performance characteristics. Thanks to twin turbocharging this engine develops 450 kW/612 hp and makes a remarkable 1000 Newton metres of torque available from 2000 rpm. This makes the CL 65 AMG the most powerful AMG model to date.

Thanks to this muscular AMG 12-cylinder powerpack the Coupé matches the performance of thoroughbred sports cars: from standstill the CL 65 AMG accelerates to 100 km/h in only 4.5 seconds (provisional figure). Its maximum speed is electronically limited to 250 km/h.

The new AMG engine is based on the 12-cylinder unit of the Mercedes-Benz S-Class. In addition to an increase in displacement from 5513 to 5980 cubic centimetres, numerous other modifications are responsible for the output and torque increase in the new CL 65 AMG. For example the AMG engineers have increased ther cylinder bore from 82 to 82.6 millimetres, lengthened the stroke of the crankshaft by six millimetres to 93 millimetres and increased the charge pressure of the turbochargers to a maximum of 1.5 bar. In addition they have used forged pistons, main and big-end bearings made from extremely high temperature and pressure-resistant materials and enlarged the apertures in the injection nozzles to achieve a higher fuel flow. Power is transferred by a five-speed automatic transmission with the SPEEDSHIFT function and steering-wheel gearshift. The exceptional torque of the V12 is always safely under control, thanks to modifications to various transmission components, the rear axle differential, the drive shafts and the wheel carriers.

Like all models in the CL-Class the new CL 65 AMG is fitted as standard with the Active Body Control (ABC) suspension system, whose spring struts have been configured for greater stiffness in the high-performance Coupé.

My mind almost blew when I saw that!

[Rishy]

sweeeet

[GIR]

Here's a thread I found on the german forums.

Der stärkste Mercedes aller Zeiten

Nur einmal zuvor durfte ein Serien-Pkw so ungeniert die Muskeln spielen lassen. Die Leistung, die vor Jahren den Straßen-Rennwagen CLK-GTR adelte, steckt heute im braven CL-Coupé.

Das Imperium schlägt zurück. Hieß es in der letzten Formel-1-Saison ganz eindeutig Rot vor Silber, soll dieses Ergebnis auf der Straße demnächst umgekehrt werden. Mit dem CL 65 AMG wollen die Stuttgarter Sternen-Krieger den Machos aus Maranello in der straßenzugelassenen GT-Klasse ganz selbstbewusst die vier feisten Auspuffrohre zeigen.

Argumentationshilfe liefert dabei der vom Haus & Hof-Veredler AMG fit gemachte V12-Biturbo. Schon die Zahl 65 im Namen lässt einiges erwarten. Wobei die Affalterbacher Aufmotzer genau wie das Mutterhaus ein wenig schummeln. Muss der SL 600 mit 5,5 Liter Hubraum auskommen, gaukelt auch der CL 65 einen halben Liter zu viel Hubraum vor.

Sei's drum. Der gewaltige 6,0-Liter-V12 (Bohrung x Hub 82,6 x 93 statt 82 x 87 mm) leidet auch so nicht gerade an Leistungsmangel, wartet mit beeindruckenden Daten auf. Unglaubliche 612 PS stehen im CL 65 AMG bereit, um über das Profil der gewaltigen Hinterräder (275/35 ZR 19) auf den Asphalt zu kommen. Exakt die gleiche PS-Potenz verspricht Porsche für den Supersportler Carrera GT, der jüngst aufgerüstete Ferrari 575M fährt trotz wahrlich nicht schlapper 515 PS klar hinterher.

Verantwortlich für den Muskelzuwachs des CL 65 zeichnen neben der Hubraumerweiterung die beiden noch druckvolleren Turbolader, die den V12 jetzt mit bis 1,5 Bar zwangsbeatmen. Jede Wette, dass dem Sechsliter mit der Fünfstufenautomatik die Luft so schnell nicht ausgeht.

Mercedes-Benz verspricht den Sprint bis Tempo 100 in 4,5 Sekunden. Und fügt in Klammern ein vielversprechendes "vorläufige Angabe" hinzu. Schließlich will man den roten Rennern nicht schon wieder hinterherfahren. Die Italiener geben für ihren 575M nämlich 4,2 Sekunden an.

Völlig gelassen und politisch korrekt lassen die Stuttgarter den Südländern allerdings bei der Höchstgeschwindigkeit die Vorfahrt. Auch im CL 65 AMG soll bei 250 km/h das elektronische Ende kommen (575M: 325 km/h). Wir vermuten aber mal, dass die meisten 65er später eher ohne diese Dynamik-Drossel unterwegs sein werden.

Unerreicht bleibt die Durchzugskraft des AMG-Athleten. Mit unfassbaren 1000 Nm Drehmoment bei 2000 Touren degradiert das Kraft-Coupé selbst ausgewachsene Sportwagen zu Statisten. Berechtigten Sorgen, diese Urgewalten könnten einzelne Teile verbiegen, begegnet Mercedes-Benz mit Schmiedekolben, speziellen Lagern sowie Verstärkungen an Getriebe, Hinterachsdifferenzial, Antriebswellen und Radträgern.

Ansonsten setzt der CL 65 optisch auf den dynamischen AMG-Auftritt, technisch auf die bekannten Elektronikhilfen von ABC (mit strafferen Federn) bis ESP sowie preislich auf die absoluten Spitzenverdiener.

Wer mit dem CL 65 AMG liebäugelt, muss wohl mit Preisen um knapp 200.000 Euro rechnen. Womit Mercedes-Benz auch in diesem Punkt vor Ferrari liegen würde – der 575M kostet "nur" 188.000 Euro.

[thepolarfoxqx]

that is a very heavy car, so the fact it can sprint to 62 in 4.5 is very impressive. I am dissapointed that the engine is simply a bored and tuned version of the one in CL600 (i would have liked to see a V12 AMG Kompressor) - but with that type of power - who cares.

[GIR]

What strikes me as a suprise is that Mercedes still doesn't have a 6 gear. A car like this deserves a 6 gear SMG don't you agree?

[thepolarfoxqx]

the advanced electronic torque convertor and shifting system employed in the Mercedes Automatic Transmissions (these are actually built in house) is the most advanced - and fastest shifting automatic on earth. While not as fast as a SMG, it also doesn't have any of the bugs (like hard shifting at low speeds and rpms). BMW and Jaguar cars have already debuted with the new ZF automatic 6 speed, Audi, VW, and Merc will be quick behind. A 6 would be nice, but with that sorta torque, the awsome 5 box on there is definately sufficent.

[GIR]

I just got back from the Mercedes dealer, inquired about the CL55 and 65. First off the CL65 is full option. It being full option and having a bigger engine (thus needing special bearings and gears) justifies the high price (A full option CL55 costs around 150.000 euro), no official catalogue price was set yet but I was told it was going to be around 180.000 euro.

They're going to call me back for reserving one after talking to Mercedes about availibility.

I was also told that the CL65 isn't just capped at speed but also at torque. The actually torque of this engine would be 1200 Nm. What is it with these germans and theri caps anywayz?

I can imagine them capping torque for durability reasons, I mean not every part can handle 1200Nm torque, but why OH WHY do they have to cap their cars at 250km/h?!

[mzaka]

ya'll i jus found out bout the car today n i was like shit that car is fast

[izzyloveslizzy]

I have several questions:

1- When is the Mercedes-Benz SLR going to come out (if at all)?

2- Is there going to be a Mercedes-Benz powered by a Hydrogen engine like the BMW 740H?

3- Will there be an SL65K or SL73K or something like that from Renntech?

4- Dos anyone know how to remove the Electronic Speed Limiters on new Mercedes-Benz or BMW cars (or any other cars with speed limiters)?

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Hallo Rishy,

 

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[GIR]

1. The planning sais mid 2003 (so hold on for a while longer . Anywayz I fear the SLR will be horribly out-dated when it comes out... when did they design this thing? 5 years ago or something.

2. Merc is big on fuelcells which doesn't seem to work out that well.. I guess Hydrogen engines are way better but the storage is just too difficult.

3. Dunno

4. Yup, www.brabus.com (for Merc), search the web for MTM for Audi modules. Altho I don't like the way those modules work. What you do is place a microcontroller between the speed sensor and the cars computer which in turn tricks the car computer to believe it's driving a different speed then you're actually driving. Very dangerous and also could possibly destroy your engine.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Hey that sounds cool (although I don't know how the engine would be destroyed if a speed-limiting computer is tricked). But do you know how to do this with other cars? Does every car have it's own specific type of speed limiter or can you use one microcontroller on every car?

And as for the SLR, I can't say I that I agree. I don't think it'll be out-dated when it comes out, because I think they're going to anticipate the reduction in the impact of the original concept when it was first shown in like 1999 or something.

Anyways I think they will renew the technology somewhat by the time they release it. They may even incorporate drive-by-wire in the SLR. And even if they didn't it would still be pretty sweet. I just hope it's got much more muscle than any other Mercedes-Benz (or modified Mercedes-benz) out there. Thanx for your help man.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Hey that sounds cool (although I don't know how the engine would be destroyed if a speed-limiting computer is tricked). But do you know how to do this with other cars? Does every car have it's own specific type of speed limiter or can you use one microcontroller on every car?

And as for the SLR, I can't say I that I agree. I don't think it'll be out-dated when it comes out, because I think they're going to anticipate the reduction in the impact of the original concept when it was first shown in like 1999 or something.

Anyways I think they will renew the technology somewhat by the time they release it. They may even incorporate drive-by-wire in the SLR. And even if they didn't it would still be pretty sweet. I just hope it's got much more muscle than any other Mercedes-Benz (or modified Mercedes-benz) out there. Thanx for your help man.

[thepolarfoxqx]

the mercedes engines are tough, so I see no worry in removing speed limits. McLaren technology is so advanced i doubt it will be outdated.

[izzyloveslizzy]

I agree PolarFox. And besides the removal of a speed-limiter shouldn't hurt the engine, right?

[GIR]

Yes but other electronics in the car are also dependent on this one (probably multiple) sensor. Like Motor managment, ABC, ESP, BAS and Distronic. I fear that these systems will go horribly wrong once they get incorrect data.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well I don't know what ABC is (maybe you mean ABS), but I guess these systems can be upgraded to support it (there must be a way if companies modify these Benz and BMWs to drive at up to 360KPH or more). Of course if what you're saying is true, then damn! That ruins all my plans to modify and tweak my Toyota Camry to 2000HP and make it break the speed of sound! Damn!

[GIR]

ABC = Active Body Control (it stops body roll and yawn).

Well I don't know if it's true but just by doing some thinking I think everybody could come to the same conclusion. If your cars computer thinks it's going 250km/h (while you are going 360km/h) your cars computer will react like it was going 250km/h, which can be very dangerous.

The systems control just about everything in the car. From the TV Tuner to breaks, gears, valves, everything. Tempering with that data could have very advers effects.

Also you will void the waranty of a new car.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Oh right, sorry, pardon me I forgot about Active Body Control. I don't even know if all cars have ABC, that's what tripped me up. Yeah that's why I stay away from cars with speed limiters. That just kills a car. Wy even bother with more powerful engines when you're only gonna make the car go no more than 250KPH? And again I still think somehow you could upgrade the electronics and drop a new chip in there or something (there's always a way). But I know what you're saying, and I've thought about it myself and came to the same conclusion. I just wanted to know if there is a way to do it, or do I just have to go for a car that doesn't have a speed limiter? Also, do you think when you're buying a car from BMW or Mercedes-Benz, for example, you can ask them nicely (or bribe them nicely! ) to remove the speed limiter for you? If all else fails I guess I'll switch to plan B or C.

You see I don't like any capabilities of a car to be suppressed. And I can certainly see myself driving at well over 250KPH. In fact I think I'll dies one day, going 400+KPH on a highway somewhere. I just love speed. That's the only reason I even ask these stupid questions (because I'm fine with 250KPH).

[thepolarfoxqx]

i doubt you'll see 400+kph, i believe the algorythm in the ABC should compensate for higher speeds, I don't know the program specifics, but you could always over-ride the ABC.

[izzyloveslizzy]

How can you override the ABC?

[thepolarfoxqx]

for most sytems (DSC, TCS, etc.) there are kill switches, the ABS although requires a new ECU module for the car, people like Renntek use them. They are expensive though commercially available. You can only kill it with a new computer though.

[vorros]

The s500/430 suck expensive trash!where are the old times when mercedes use to make strong cars?I ask you?

[izzyloveslizzy]

I didn't mean the ABS (I definitely don't want to kill the ABS), Fox.

Vorros: How about an S600 or S65AMG or S73AMG or how about a renntech version? Run one of those through Lorinser and you've got yourself a car that nothing comes close to (well, maybe close...).

[GIR]

The s500/430 suck expensive trash!where are the old times when mercedes use to make strong cars?I ask you?

What the hell are you talking about? I used to own a S500 (2001) and it is a good car, expensive yes, but you get lots of extra's for that money. The S500 is a great car to drive in.