Cadillac 16: Impressive or Excessive?

[hamszter_gt]

Ssup guyz...I think Caddillac's are over doing it wit the 16...they got the Caddillac 16 in the Rivalry of the Maybach...Now we all know the Maybach's Interior Quality...Without seeing the Interior Luxury Importance the 16 was only launched in regards of the Power....13.6 Litre V16 1000 BHP...and the Interior is shit compared to the Maybach...The Caddillac does have a chance of Winning in the SUPER LUXURY DRAG RACE....he he...if there is something of that sought...you never know Caddillac may launch a race of tat kind too he he...

No Offence Caddy Lovers...Cheers All

P.S. And If Caddillac really does wanna race cars wit super Engines...then they could try wit the Bugatti 18/4 Veyron...She's Enough to let Caddillac to it's own Level.

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[thepolarfoxqx]

i don't know, if caddy were going to go far enough to make sixteen, I am sure they could make up a decent interior, not the maybach, but not so bad all the same

[izzyloveslizzy]

Speaking of interiors if the interior of the Park Avenue is anything like that of the LeSabre then it's pretty much a disappointment. It's not bad, but it's a bit shaky (and at it's best it's still shaky compared to the interiors of German cars and other high-quality cars). Try driving a V8 LeSabre at 200KPH and you'll see what I mean by "shaky interior". I've been in several of those, and at high speeds the dash vibrates and shakes out of control, and makes an unpleasant sound to accompany the shaking. That's no good. They need to improve on the little things, but after they've improved on the bigger things. That's definitely a BIGGY! No doubt they could come up with some nice interiors (and most people would be hard-pressed and lying through their teeth not to tell you that American cars have the most comfortable interiors).

[T88TurboStang]

LOL dude this thing is insane, 12.75 liter 16 cylinder. I dont know, if i had the money i wouldnt mind buying it, only if it was under 80k.

I think this 16 cylinder is much well brought out than that Buggatti, no offense but taht shiet <<you can't use that word!> was soo weak, 1000 hp out of a Quad turbo 16 cylinder. jesus that is weak, this NA 16 on the caddy is almost matching that....

anyways, i dont think this car is that bad, but it wont even come close to mercedes, or bently!!!

[izzyloveslizzy]

It's actually 13.6L. And believe me you wouldn't even find a dead one for under $80K!!!

Also, yes but a lot less work went into the Veyron engine. They didn't want to make a naturally-aspirated ~1000HP engine. Cadillac on the other hand uses a bigger displaceent engine (13.6L). And the Buggati engine actually makes 1001HP! That's one more horse than the Sixteen!

Anyways we can't know for sure HOW the car will be because it's slated for a 2006-2007 release at the earliest. I can't just judge when I know nothing about it's other functions. All the hype around this car has been about the Engine (and a tiny little bit about the looks).

[Bugattisrking]

LOL dude this thing is insane, 12.75 liter 16 cylinder. I dont know, if i had the money i wouldnt mind buying it, only if it was under 80k.

I think this 16 cylinder is much well brought out than that Buggatti, no offense but taht shiet <<you can't use that word!> was soo weak, 1000 hp out of a Quad turbo 16 cylinder. jesus that is weak, this NA 16 on the caddy is almost matching that....

anyways, i dont think this car is that bad, but it wont even come close to mercedes, or bently!!!

The Bugatti is said to have anywhere from 1000-1300bhp. Its said to already have 1001bhp. Plus the Bugatti has extra luxeries that the 16 doesnt have. So the way i see it the Bugattis better. The Bugatti has as much luxeries as the bentley. I hate Bentleys. They're overrated just like the Mclaren.

[Patrick2]

well if you want to get super technical the bugatti actually makes 1001 european horsepower (ps or something) which equates to about 987hp under american standards. I now that the conversion is right, but I am unsure about what units were used. (hp versus ps etc.) I read this in some magazine. can't remember which one.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i don't know, if GM is going to spend the money to develop that sort of a driveline, i don't see why they wouldn't go all out and make an interior in league with bentley, rolls royce, and mercedes.

[izzyloveslizzy]

They will. This will be a super-luxury car going head to head with the likes of the Maybach and the Phantom. It wouldn't even make sense if they didn't. After all it is a family-type car with four doors (though two of which are curiously suicide-doors). But you can expect some expensive leather and trims in the '07 Caddy.

[Bugattisrking]

well if you want to get super technical the bugatti actually makes 1001 european horsepower (ps or something) which equates to about 987hp under american standards. I now that the conversion is right, but I am unsure about what units were used. (hp versus ps etc.) I read this in some magazine. can't remember which one.

well if you want to get technical, the numbers cant be offical till it is even into production. The 1001hp just like almost all the other numbers are just estimates. Im pretty sure that the bugatti has more potential than the estimates.

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[Bugattisrking]

well if you want to get super technical the bugatti actually makes 1001 european horsepower (ps or something) which equates to about 987hp under american standards. I now that the conversion is right, but I am unsure about what units were used. (hp versus ps etc.) I read this in some magazine. can't remember which one.

well if you want to get technical, the numbers cant be offical till it is even into production. The 1001hp just like almost all the other numbers are just estimates. Im pretty sure that the bugatti has more potential than the estimates.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i don't see what these cars have in common besides being extreme. you are comparing a supercar sports car to a supercar luxorider. you won't fit 4 into a bugatti, you won't do 0-180 in 12 seconds in a caddy, easy as that.

[LateNightCable]

1000 h.p. and 1000 lb.ft. of torque, thats sounds like pure P.R. to me. There once was a time when sixteen cylinders was a pretty practical idea. In the 1930's, the Cadillac V-16 produced something like 160 - 165 h.p. But these days a sixteen cylinder motor is just a publicity stunt, big power is not even really about the number of cylinders anymore, but other things like engine breathing, light weight components, more efficiant fuel burning, and ever higher R.P.M.s'.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for old style machinery, but if they are going come up with something hot, they should get serious and stop teasing around with image building concept cars. Because everybody knows there isn't an ounce of Cadillac 16 in the CTS. :roll:

Not to mention, as an artist myself I can see many ways in which the styling could be improved, right now it isn't very focused.

[thepolarfoxqx]

the 16 is publicity, i saw where motor trend drove it. they said the tranny never shifts into 4th gear, that the ride was poor on a pool table flat road, that the suspension was floaty, the engine was very unrefined, though very torquey, it was loud.

hardly production material. it is the picture of everything wrong with the american automotive industry

[izzyloveslizzy]

...Yet, funny enough, they plan to go ahead with the production. There's something wrong with that picture.... Or, they will iron out any "problems" with the transmission and engine noise and what not. I'm sure they'll have made some changes to the current layout and to the design too. I mean, they do have 4 more years to work on it (until the initial "realease date" they set comes up, that is).

[thepolarfoxqx]

motor trend say NO GO on the production. who would buy it?

[P.I.M.P]

the main question is HOW MUCH WILL THIS MONSTROSITY COST?

[thepolarfoxqx]

uh, it won't see production.

[LateNightCable]

Thats' the problem with Cadillac. They have horrrible self esteem, " who would buy it? " they ask. If they could do it right at close to $1,000,000 cheaper than a Veyron, who wouldn't??

Cadillac doesn't think anyone would want to pay more than 60-75k on one of their cars, so they decide to focus on trucks, minivan cross-over garbage, and entry level CTS crap, instead of creating real showstoppers. The CTS-V is a good performance diversian, but they need to bring themselves up all the way. All they have to do is have the nerve to step up to the plate, and begin producing cars that people would really dream about again, rather than fear that no one would buy them if they did. Their decisian not to do anything with the " Sixteen " is just an advertisment that they don't have any nerve.

These spineless guys calling shots now with their bullshit " art and technology " approach, which is really just a front for trying to be European, need to be kicked out. Cadillac needs real leaders like they had in the past, to reshape the Cadillac identity into the original American dream. And that requires good old fashioned American balls.

[Arty25]

this car will never be out and even if it will it will cost millions of dollars

[thepolarfoxqx]

let's be honest. GM is the most profit driven company on earth. If they couldn't sell it volume at decent profit, it isn't worthe making. They fell under 100,000 camaros a year, so they killed it. BMW didn't sell 100,000 cars total in the US up until a few years ago.

If GM could sell say, 1000 cadillac sixteens, they wouldn't do it, even though it would raise their image immensely. If they made a car like sixteen, say with a V12, smaller proportions by a shade, they could sell it for 75k (you know you couldn't build sixteen for under 100k), and you'd see a lot of them.

But they won't. GM wrote the book on bad brand management.

[skyline_r34v]

I basically think they either need to really and truely get serious with this car or trash it cuz all it will

ever do is waste their time in tryin 2 help build their image.

When in reality all they will be doin is lackin big time in improvin the cars they already have out now.