Cadillac 16: Impressive or Excessive?

[stoney]

The new 13.6L V-16 that GM put in the new Cadillac 16 concept is very extreme! They estimate that it would make 1000 Hp and 1000 lb.-ft. of torque! All that and it weighs less than a standard GM V-8! This car may be a concept but that motor sounds impressive! Is this an attempt to out-do other european exotics( i.e. the Veyeron 16/4)? What's next; a Ferrari with a V-24 with 6 superchargers!? I think the direction they should be going is with small compact street racers with lateral excelleration beond the 1G mark. Nothing is more fun than taking a hair-pin turn at eighty MPH!! How bout more concepts like that?

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[silvertabone]

Why not make these engines? The reason that they are doing it is that this is the first time that technology has been able to make that kind of horsepower and reliability reach acceptable levels. If you look at this site, you seen that the Veyron is one of the most popular cars. And you make a good point about the weight of the engine, if you can make an engine that big and powerful with a decent weight, you have an almost limitless amout of potential. As for making small street racers - I gotta say that statement is just your personal opinion (of course) - even big cars can beat the 1g mark (are you talkin of lateral g's or hardline g's?) reagardless, I would'nt expect Ferrari or Lamborghini to start making small street racers born of the Fast & Furious.

[thepolarfoxqx]

the V16 is not lighter than any GM small block (any new one).

furthermore it is very very very long, and requires a huge car to carry it around. The concept car for this engine is over 20ft long and has 4 wheel steering. It is excessive. You will never see a ferrari bigger than 12 cylenders, and never with a supercharger.

This engine is nothing more than two northstar V-8s bored out and welded together. I guess it is no more rediculous than a W16.

[djfux69]

i definetly think its excessive. huge huge engine, and a huge car. i dont think itll ever take off. can u imagine how much gas that thing eats up??

[kleinefisch]

if you can spend $250,000+ on a car, gas is the least of your problems. i think it's cool how cadillac has turned the public image around and is now thinking of a car that can probably beat most anything in the quarter-mile. although i'm not saying that i would buy one.

[thepolarfoxqx]

Well, it will probably be hauling 3 tons of weight with it, if it ever gets produced, I have read reports out of GM sugesting that V16 will not be further pursued, and instead, more work will go into the V12 project (based on the 7.5L V12 that went into Cien). I am gland to see america has a luxury automaker that is trying to go toe to toe with the world's best.

[kleinefisch]

a v12 would be better. they wouldn't need the huge compartment for two v8's together, this would also cut weight. furthermore, 12 cylinders are good enough.

[thepolarfoxqx]

amen! Anyhow, the 7.5L of displacement in caddy's v12 is plenty for any car, in the cien it made 750hp, and for Escalade it will make a torquey 500hp. One can only wonder how a true V16 must sound.

[silvertabone]

Guess some people tried for a early v-16 - someone paid a lot for this.

www.rickcarey.com/Catalog%20Descriptions/RM%20LA%20052502%20Miller%20V16.htm

[thepolarfoxqx]

wow, that is some truly inspired engineering, you have to wonder what kind of stuff like that is being done now?

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[stoney]

I agree, thepolarfoxqx. I would love to here that thing run. The Veyeron really sounds awsome! I hope someone can get some sound footage from that thing! That's the only thing I would be interested in.

[silvertabone]

There is a video on this sight that has the Veyron starting up, idle, and revving... but the quality isnt all that great - check it out anyway.

[thepolarfoxqx]

unfortuneately, the strange path of the exhaust manifolds completely changes the way a W engine sounds compared to a V (or an inline). I heard an old pushrod v16 once, but the idea of a overhead cam, modern, smooth V16 is cool. I would like to hear how the concept sounds.

On a side note, the W16 in veryon sounds pretty nice, though I suspect a non-turbo W16 would sound even sweeter.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Apparently the Sixteen has got the green light for production (although we probably won't see one until 2006 at the earliest). This car is impressive. GM's story is that at first the engine produced 985HP, and they were so close they just had to tune it some more and get 1000, so they wen't back to the drawing board and fiddled with it a bit more until it put out 1000HP and torque. Of course I personally think that's BS (they were shooting for 1000 from the beginning). It would be nice to see a slightly more powerful version of this engine in a cien (that car was gorgeous).

[Soupy]

Personally, I think that GM should let Cadillac be what it's always been - a luxury car. Sure, some performance is great, but supercar status? It's just not GM's style. It's too expensive. The Corvette has always been GM's flagship, and, call me old-fashioned, but I think it should remain that way as long as the Vette's in production. The thing I always liked about GM is low-cost performance. The ZO6 is just over 50 thousand, and sure that may be not dirt cheap, but for the performance it offers, compared to other cars of its class, it's very reasonable. GM performance has always been a symbol of good ol' Detroit muscle, not expensive, ultra-complex engines, but big, rumbling American V-8's that are reasonably easy to work with. Performance for regular people who can only dream of even seeing, let alone driving the expensive European supercars that this Cadillac would run against.

[Mihai]

I think that european cars are the best ultra-luxury cars.

[BURNER03]

People think that european cars are the best ultra-luxury cars just because they have been known for that, now Cadillac is getting into the business :roll: :x 8)

[izzyloveslizzy]

Well, European cars have been known for that because they ARE the ultimate Luxury Cars!!! But I think Cadillac IS getting there. I personally think Cadillac has some of the most beautiful new car designs anywhere. The Cien, the SRX, the Sixteen, the SLR, the CTS, and many others are perfect examples. And with GM-assisted super-engineering, they're well on their way.

[thepolarfoxqx]

it isn't really a car meant to be a profitable sales car, it is a symbol of the marque, like a maybach. It simply gives cadillac more prestige, showing they can.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Exactly. And that's pretty much the same with other crazy-car makers. They're just showing that they can! But some companies can straddle the fence a little bit and do both. I think Buick, Jaguar, Porsche, are examples. Of course I personally don't know if Buick is even trying to have profitable sales anymore. They just don't seem to be doing anything new (nothing too noticeable, at least). I mean they had like the Rendezvous, and that's great, but anything else?

[thepolarfoxqx]

buick is going to move forward to fill the gap left by the departure of oldsmobile. A new Park Avenue is planned, with a possible V8, a new SUV, the Ranier will replace Rendezvous, the Ranier being a V8 powered, fancied up, Trailblazer. Porsche has the GT to show off what they can do, but are using the boxster and cayanne profits to maintain the classic 911. Jaguar is planning a new XJ which will be, from a basic engineering standpoint, the most pragmatically advanced full size sedan. Also, there has been talk of a smaller, DB5 based smaller sports car. No super-high end XJ220 style cars to show off, that is what aston martin is for.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Interesting info, to say the least. Hmm wonder if this is the "Park Avenue" you're talking about....

I don't know, this looks like a lot the LeSabre.

[thepolarfoxqx]

yeah, the park avenue has looked a lot like the lesabre for years now. that is the 2003 model (it has the litle ports on the side of the hood). It still has the venerable Supercharged 3800 Series II V6, pulling 240hp/280 ft/lbs torque.

If you look at the park avenue, there is room for it to be a really cool car.

[izzyloveslizzy]

Of course, but it stil looks a bit on the bland side. And it ain't nothing too special.

I don't think I've ever even seen a "Park Avenue" in Canada. there's plenty of LeSabres, but no "Park Avenue"s.

anyway, I think Buick should stop going back and forth between designs and find a design direction. either go retro like Ford and Cadillac, or futuristic and edgy (of course Cadillac is kind'a straddling the fence too...).

[thepolarfoxqx]

GM changes their general style every third year. That is one of the big advantages of ford, they don't go out of style as quick, the evolve in style instead have a radical design revolution every few years.