The Very First Drive in The M5.

[mv]

Go right here : http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/pw/06m5.htm

As for performance figures, the british autocar has revealed some in comparison with the e55 AMG.

E55

0-100 km/h in 4.92

1/4 mile in 12.89 @ 173 km/h

1km in 23.8 @ 233 km/h

M5

0-100 in 4.58

1/4 mile in 12.61 @ 185 km/h

1km in 22.7 @ 246 km/h

80-120 km/h

3rd gear M5 2.77 E55 3.83

4th gear M5 4.17 E55 5.78

5th gear M5 4.82 E55 7.35

120-160 km/h

3rd gear M5 3.05 E55 4.40

4th gear M5 4.24 E55 6.21

5th gear M5 4.91 E55 7.50

Dazzling.The M5 redefines the term super-saloon again.

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Hallo mv,

 

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[Thunf]

Very impressive! Always when Mercedes comes with a model aiming to beat BMW, they do it. And always the other way around too. Next AMG model will also beat the M5. Why should BMW and Merc make a worse car when aiming to beat the other?!

We live in the same world... what one can produce another one can produce and improve.

[thepolarfoxqx]

amazing. given the fact the mercedes performs slower than expected, i have to believe the test conditions were not ideal, so in theory, both cars will be proportionally faster. there isn't a whole lot of room for an E55 to be slower, it's an auto, it's all conditions, which effect both cars. If it does 0-62 in 4.58, in theory, the 0-60 is definately sub 4.5. The E39 was 4.8 0-60 and 5.1 0-62. I don't know if this one has that much disparity, but in good conditions, i honestly could see an M5 getting very close to 4 flat on a good run. I'm sincerely impressed, and i think it's great it really does deliver.

The E55 was tops against E39 and RS6 (if only by a little), and is still a phenomenal car, but it is outclassed by M5, which is faster, handles better, and has a more sporty character. Even if they upped the 5.4 kompressor in the E55 from low output 476hp to high output 493 like in SL, CL, an S55s, it still wouldn't be faster, and certainly wouldn't handle better.

Also, the E55 starts at 79,000 USD, if the M5 is 105,000 CAN, then it is the same price. E55 is good, but M5 is the king.

[cstavaru]

Did you notice that the top speed has been limited to 270Km/h, as opposed to the normal 250 ?

[LateNightCable]

Hmmm, not an expert on currency exchange rates but, $105,000 Canadian, that would make the new M5 something like $80,000 U.S. wouldn't it?

I commend them for making the E60 interior look like something I might want to sit in. The luxurious and artful use of warm wood trim and tan leather does a lot to tame the Bangle treatment.

[GIR]

The pic of all the M5's lined up... that has to be heaven! I'm still wondering what the tuners are going to sequeze out of it.

SC maybe biturbo and it should be mad fast!

[thepolarfoxqx]

surely sir you must be joking about forced induction on this car.

[reggid]

surely sir you must be joking about forced induction on this car.

the inside news i heard was that BMW themselves have been toying around witha turbo or two in R&D. not for use in a 5 or 6 series though.

[thepolarfoxqx]

you can toy all you want, it's been a point of pride at M-Power that they could straight out engineer the competition, when others had bigger engines with forced induction making less power than their naturally aspirated motor (E60 M5 vs. E55 V8K). They might toy around, in the end, i truly hope they stick to their theme.

[mv]

an interesting piece of audio (launch)

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[LateNightCable]

That toying around could simply be another means of testing their engines. Durability, flexibility under a variety of conditions and loads, etc. They don't maintain a track record for building the best engines in the business without covering all the bases.

[thepolarfoxqx]

M-Power discovered with the E46 M3 that high winding engines are more vulnerable to abuse than conventional engines, that in the high stress conditions of high winding, people doing stupid, assanine things to their cars has a harsher effect. They are simply covering all their bases and assuming the worst, and engineering for it, and this is simply how that is tested.

[mv]

Finally a quite hefty video...sadly more words than action

hope you don't mind german

http://www.cmaxwell303.f2s.com/m5swq.zip

[GIR]

Even with the M styling that nose still looks hideous! Ofcourse it could be that they picked the most god awefull color... in metallic silver it looks much better.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i find the styling not too bad. The 5 has it's redeeming qualities in styling, and in terms of performance, you can't do better.

[Thunf]

The M5 is superb!!! The engine sounds very great, but I was expecting it to sound like the Carerra Gt but doesn't quite reach that level - witch is the best sound from an engine I've ever heard! Looking at mv:s autocar published numbers the E55 seems to gain somewhere... look at it:

If we talk km/h here. The M5 is extremely fast to 100, and the E55 reach it 0.33 sec after. Yet, the quarter mile E55 gains somewhere in the middle leaving only 0.28 behind. As you see the M5 has a much higher speed at the end 185 vs 173. That must mean that E55 was certainly gaining at some point at a 130 guess... or the testing was done printing the worst time E55 made and the best time M5 did. The number are odd if you think about it some time.

[reggid]

The M5 is superb!!! The engine sounds very great, but I was expecting it to sound like the Carerra Gt but doesn't quite reach that level - witch is the best sound from an engine I've ever heard! Looking at mv:s autocar published numbers the E55 seems to gain somewhere... look at it:

If we talk km/h here. The M5 is extremely fast to 100, and the E55 reach it 0.33 sec after. Yet, the quarter mile E55 gains somewhere in the middle leaving only 0.28 behind. As you see the M5 has a much higher speed at the end 185 vs 173. That must mean that E55 was certainly gaining at some point at a 130 guess... or the testing was done printing the worst time E55 made and the best time M5 did. The number are odd if you think about it some time.

One is the time to reach a speed 100km/h and the other a time to distance 1/4mi so you can't compare those, they are different and it doesn't make sense doing it. How long will it take the e55 to get to 185 from 173 more than 0.33 sec thats for sure. So the e55 pulls no ground, actually it looses ground in fact.

Just think about it A mclaren F1 does 0-100km/h in 3.2sec and 1/4mi 11.1 sec and a e46 M3 0-100km/h in 5.3sec and 1/4mi in 13.2sec by your analogy the M3 is 2.1sec slower to 100 and 2.1 sec slower to 1/4mi so an e46 M3 keeps up with a car with 85% more power and 70% of the weight. Just think that the M3 will trap at 165-170 and the Mclaren at 200+

look at all the time to speed increments the M5 will be faster in all of them and the difference between the M5 and E55 will actually increase.

NB: Its also possible for a car to accelerate to 100km/h faster than another but still be behind in terms of distance because acceleration isn't constant. Have you ever draged someone from the lights and they are ahead slightly (a length or two) but you are gaining on them you at say 85km/h and them at a speed slightly below, this means you reach a 100km/h speed quicker but they are infront slightly this can result from either from a good start or a poor start on your behalf or simply engine characteristics.

[Thunf]

Oh, ofcourse regid! You are so right! What was I thinking...

Wonder if that quarter mile figure is correct for the E55. It's almost as slow as the old E55...

A video I've downloaded they did in 12.57 sec with the E55 a quarter mile... stock.

[thepolarfoxqx]

my guess is that these are poor numbers for both cars, probably caused by conditions. In hot, wet, weather, cars perform their worst. The E55 should be more consistent than the M5, as it is an automatic, and cars with forced aspiration tend to be more forgiving of intangibles (like altitude, barometric pressure, etc, etc, etc) that have larger effects on naturally aspirated cars. So anything that would have made E55 slower would also have made M5 slower. I'll wait till I see a full up head to head where conditions are stated. This is a preview, but doesn't give us enough information to fully compare everything. The first test of the lamborghini gallardo only was able to get it to do 0-60 in 4.8, so really, we'll have to wait for more data and see.

[Thunf]

Why would a natural aspirated engine be more sencitive to altitude? Some Pikes peaks cars with FI looses nearly 200 hp when reaching the top!

The quarter mile M5 did in 185 end speed is allot more than the E55 witch only made 178... My friend got a NA 78' Opel Kadett 170 hp 16V calibra engine with a LSD witch does have a end speed of 168 in 14.6. And the other I know make a 183 km/h quarter mile end speed and time 13.2. He have a Ford Escort 79' turbo 200+ hp. More laughable is that what MB or BMW make a time of 15.7 a quarter mile? A Datsun 100A with 100hp does that!

[thepolarfoxqx]

the subtle changes in air pressure caused by altitude effect a naturally aspirated car more because it relies upon the pressure differential between the air pressure and the cylender to feed the engine. The forced aspiration cars however compensate, as under lower pressure, the turbo/supercharger opperates against a lesser load, and thus, more efficiently, off-setting the difference in air pressure.

[Thunf]

the subtle changes in air pressure caused by altitude effect a naturally aspirated car more because it relies upon the pressure differential between the air pressure and the cylender to feed the engine. The forced aspiration cars however compensate, as under lower pressure, the turbo/supercharger opperates against a lesser load, and thus, more efficiently, off-setting the difference in air pressure.

That make allot of sence. But FI engines can't apparently compensate all but handles it good. First I was thinking that maybe the pressure is always the same for FI but ofcourse it depends relatively to current outside pressure. A lesser load explains it...

[mv]

the m5 starring in another video...this time it is set to fight with the RS6+

Click here

the m5 wins hands down

[skyline_r34v]

That's a pretty boring video but nice to see the m5 in action.

[mv]

Well there is a lack of choice at this point