2004 Ford Lightning Concept

[LateNightCable]

Well, the difference between one big turbo and two smaller turbos can mean the difference between lag and no lag. But cars, and anything else often become something else when someone does something to it. Like a Ford Mustang is not considered a Ford Mustang after Saleen gets through with it, it's called a Saleen S351 or whatever.

Personally I think it's silly to refer to a car as something else just because it was modified, but if it's modified to a certain point it is something else - like what the Lighting is becoming.

If a Porsche Boxter had a 911 twin-turbo engine put into it, with a nitrous unit, I suppose because the engine is different, it could qualify as not a Boxter anymore. Perhaps it would be a " Mongrel 250 twin-turbo " - or maybe just " blown up " .

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[Mongrel]

dont forget the lightning stickers but i think it is still a lightning, although, i dont know what type of engine it has

[thepolarfoxqx]

i doubt it is the original 351.

[Mongrel]

i doubt it too, but even if you think that it isnt a lightning, it is still a seven second truck, which is pretty impressive,

oh, btw, if it isnt a lightning, what is it?

[thepolarfoxqx]

crazy whacko redneck with too much time and money toy with TON O"horsepower

[Mongrel]

check this video out, it is about 15 mb, but worth the download, a little compilation of videos of a lightning, supra tt, e46 m3, c5 corvette, and a couple more, the lightning leaves the tt supra in the dust

http://www.mediai.com/nroach/stunna.wmv

[jterp]

i dont think the supra knew they were racing

[djfux69]

why would you think that?

[jterp]

are you talking about the scene where the camers is in the supra and the lightning pulls up next to it and then pulls like 10 feet ahead? In that scene it seems like the supra is just cruising -- no hint of downshift or WOT..

[Mongrel]

how could he downshift, it was from a light

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[thepolarfoxqx]

i don't know of much that could honestly take a tweaked supra. nothing that rides on a full ladder frame.

[djfux69]

how do we know its a tweaked supra? it could have just had a bov?? i didnt heard loud turbos or even stock with high boost. sounded pretty stock to me aside from exhaust.

[Mongrel]

it is a 12 second lightning and a stock supra tt (i think) only runs low 13's in the quarter

[thepolarfoxqx]

where do all these 12 seccond lightenings come from. Getting a lightening to do that isn't that easy. If they did BOVs ane exhaust, why would they stop there?

[djfux69]

he could be like everyother person with a turbo car who doesnt know what they are doing. he probably thought a BOV would actually give him hp. . you know those bovs add 5000 rwhp on supras right

[thepolarfoxqx]

yeah, just like the VTec sticker adds 90hp to civics

bovs sound nice alteast, and may or may not improve responsiveness.

[jterp]

what are bov's? and if you watch the video again it looks like the lightning just drives by the camera--- doesnt look like a race to me.

[djfux69]

bovs are Blow Off Valves.

[Mongrel]

@ jterp, didnt you hear the wheel spin and the reeving engine when it took off, it wasnt just a flyby

[GIR]

Blow off valves? Are those the same as pop off valves? And if so what would you do with a pop off valve on a civic... that is if you haven't mayorly over charged the damn thing. And if so why would anybody want to spend the time and money installing that kinda equipment on a civic?

And do people even realize that for the same money they spend on that equipment they could've gotten a way better car with out the need of spending time on it?

I mean those turbocharged japanese thingies are good and all and the highreving engine combined with a turbo does give a conciderable boost but totaly destroys the car within months. Why spend all the time and money on a car that's going to be dead in a short time anywayz?

[djfux69]

Blow off valves? Are those the same as pop off valves? And if so what would you do with a pop off valve on a civic... that is if you haven't mayorly over charged the damn thing. And if so why would anybody want to spend the time and money installing that kinda equipment on a civic?

And do people even realize that for the same money they spend on that equipment they could've gotten a way better car with out the need of spending time on it?

I mean those turbocharged japanese thingies are good and all and the highreving engine combined with a turbo does give a conciderable boost but totaly destroys the car within months. Why spend all the time and money on a car that's going to be dead in a short time anywayz?

blow off valves dump excess boost after a turbo is spooled. the bov only dumps when throttle is significantly decreased or let off completely. its a safety precaution for detonation. you dont want the turbo spooled and still ramming air into your motor if you arent even at full throttle. and as for the same money vs. turbo car question. you can actually get an old civic and turbo it for around 4 grand for the kit. with that kit you will go around 200,000 on stock internals putting down close to 300whp. very reliably.

[bleh]

Blow off valves? Are those the same as pop off valves? And if so what would you do with a pop off valve on a civic... that is if you haven't mayorly over charged the damn thing. And if so why would anybody want to spend the time and money installing that kinda equipment on a civic?

And do people even realize that for the same money they spend on that equipment they could've gotten a way better car with out the need of spending time on it?

I mean those turbocharged japanese thingies are good and all and the highreving engine combined with a turbo does give a conciderable boost but totaly destroys the car within months. Why spend all the time and money on a car that's going to be dead in a short time anywayz?

im sorry but your very wrong. idiots with turbos on na cars blow their motors. you can buy a turbo kit for my car at $1k (greddy) which is know as one of the most reliable kits out there as long as you dont turn the boost up. with a kit as weak as this a 80whp gain is average. the people i know with this kit have had it for over 50k miles and one has had it for over 70. they have had no problems with their cars. a junkyard turbo can be put together for hondas for much less than the price of the greddy and depending on how much research and tuning you do it can be just as reliable. see homemadeturbo.com.

their are more expensive kits that yeild more power but but with most civic engines 8 psi on stock internals begins to get risky. 8 psi with the right setup can yeild well over 250whp. i dont think thats bad at all for a 1.6l engine

you cant forget the biggest benifit of the bov though. since it releases the boosted pressure the turbo slows down at its own rate. if the pressure wasnt blown off the higher pressure air that has already gone through the turbo will now want to go back out the way it came slowing the turbo down. this was a problem with gti's since their diverter valve(same as bov, but it dumps back into the intake piping before the turbo and after the filter as opposed to open atmosphere). i have heard of stock gti's dropping .3 seconds in the quarter mile due to a diverter valve upgrade alone. this is plainly because not as much boost was lost between shifts.

[djfux69]

diverter valves are the greatest. i dont know why people run open atmosphere systems???? it only makes sense to run a diverter, or bypass.

[bleh]

what is a bypass system? and you must run an open atmosphere system if your filter is right on the turbo or if you dont have a filter at all. most piping leading to the turbo is pointless unless your engine bay is rediculously tight. theoretically a diverter valve is more efficient since the pressure on both sides of the turbo are equal but both are higher, where as the bov has atmospheric pressure on both sides of the turbo.

[djfux69]

bypass valves are the same thing as diverters. different name. i understand that if you were running open inlet, or even a close filter you wouldnt be able to use the diverter system, but dont you think it would be better to make piping and keep the stetup?