Jensen Cars

[Markus Berzborn]

So, ich mache jetzt einfach mal einen Thread zu Jensen auf, wie von einigen im Monteverdi-Thread gewünscht.

Ein REIN historisches Thema ist es übrigens nicht, denn man kann sich aktuell einen Interceptor mit modernerer Technik unter Verwendung alter Basisfahrzeuge bestellen:

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/228925/

Der Versuch der Wiederbelebung der Marke mit einem komplett neuen Modell (unter Leitung des früheren Rolls Royce-Chefs) ist ja vor ein paar Jahren leider gescheitert.

Gruß,

Markus

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Hallo Markus Berzborn,

 

kennst du schon Jensen Cars (Anzeige)? Dort ist vieles zu finden.

 

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[hugoservatius]

also, damit man weiß, worum es bei jensen geht:

in der jüngsten ausgabe von "classic and thoroughbred cars" finden sich zwei artikel zum thema jensen interceptor, einer über einen optimierten interceptor (ähnlich wie die beecham-jaguare), einer über einen toprestaurierten jensen ff, das ist das auto mit allradantrieb und antiblockiersystem mit anständigen photos, beides sehr lesenswert.

[Ferrarinarr]

Hallo Markus und Hugo,

ich bin gerade vom Bentley Continental Supersports-Thread herübergekommen.

Interessanterweise gibt es im Daily Telegraph-Archiv einen Fahrbericht über den Jensen S V8, der unter Graham Morris' Regie entstand. Schade, daß von dem schönen Wagen dann letztendlich nur ein paar Exemplare entstanden:(

[Lamberko]

Kommen auch noch Infos über die Fa. Jensen, oder muss man das alles selbst nachgoogeln?

[AlexM CO]

Auf classicdriver ist aktuell ein Bericht über den Interceptor FF drin

http://www.classicdriver.com/de/magazine/3400.asp?id=5364

Grüsse

AlexM

[hugoservatius]

Der erste bedeutende Jensen der Nachkriegszeit:

Jensen 541 R, Baujahr 1958, Sechszylinder-Reihenmotor aus dem Austin 3-litre, Kunststoffkarosserie, Scheibenbremsen.

Die Speichenräder sind nicht serienmäßig gewesen, die meisten 541 hatten Scheibenräder mit Radkappen, die Kühlluftöffnung läßt sich mittels Verstellen des Kühlergrills bzw. Kühlerpaneels vergrößern oder verkleinern.

[Ferrarinarr]

Kommen auch noch Infos über die Fa. Jensen, oder muss man das alles selbst nachgoogeln?

Tut mir leid, ich habe noch nie durchgeblickt, wie man auf eine Seite verlinkt:(

Der Artikel heißt aber: "The tragic tale of the Jensen S-V8" und erschien im Daily Telegraph am 14. Juni 2003. Der Autor war Tony Dron.

Hoffe, das hilft...Nochmals sorry:oops: Ich steige da einfach nicht durch.

[Graunase]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/convertibeandsportscars/2722797/The-tragic-tale-of-the-Jensen-S-V8.html

[Graunase]

Damit der Artikel nicht verloren geht:

If you have ever thought it might be profitable, or fun, to produce a brand new car, the sad saga of the Jensen S-V8 offers a cautionary tale. I went to the launch, held in the purpose-built new factory at Speke, back in August, 2001. It was a Wednesday. "Production will begin on Monday," we were told, and I reported those words in this newspaper in good faith.

Well, there it was, right in front of our eyes: a production line with partially assembled cars, surrounded by all the parts needed. There was the workforce, all fired up and ready, including non-executive chairman Graham Morris, who had recently stepped down from the exalted post of CEO at Rolls-Royce Motor Cars.

Investors had put more than £9 million into this fresh business start-up. Jensens had not been made for years but the name was bought for the prestige it still carried. Eleven top-class dealers had been signed up, the poshest names in the motor trade. The car had been displayed successfully at the 1998 Motor Show and, best of all, Jensen Motors Ltd had taken 300 firm orders for the sparkling new British convertible. That was enough to cope with at first, so they closed the order book until further notice.

The aim was to produce all those 300 S-V8s in the first year, at £40,000 each. The price would then rise to £42,500 and 600 cars were planned for the second year, when a coupé version called C-V8 would be added to the range. The scheme seemed solid and real. There was even a prototype of the stylish coupé there for us to inspect.

The new Jensen S-V8 looked good. This was no back-street special. It was designed and constructed like the high-quality product of a much larger manufacturer, including a steel monocoque chassis/body with lightweight, pressed aluminium-alloy outer panels in a modern shape that cleverly called on the styling cues of the classic Jensen CV-8 of old. Powered by the superb Mustang Cobra 4·6-litre, 32-valve, four-cam, lightweight V8 engine, the S-V8 promised 160mph and 0-60mph in less than five seconds.

It was obvious that powerful intellects had combined to produce a stunning new car. Called a "controlled assembly job", the workers simply had to put the perfectly formed pieces together. Prominent signs around the production line proclaimed: "The next inspector is the customer" and "First time through" (meaning, I think, "No mistakes requiring rectification"). The place was brimming with confidence and I looked forward to driving the first press test car within a couple of weeks.

"Conventional motor industry wisdom," we were told that day, "says that completing such a project within the budget used by Jensen is impossible in the 21st century. The S-V8 today proves otherwise."

Sadly, conventional motor industry wisdom was spot on, because production never got going. You name it and it seems to have gone wrong: windows didn't work, hoods didn't fit. The list was endless, and crippling.

[Ferrarinarr]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/convertibeandsportscars/2722797/The-tragic-tale-of-the-Jensen-S-V8.html

1000 Dank! Du bist ein Zauberer!:-))!

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Hallo Markus Berzborn,

 

schau doch mal hier zum Thema Britische Marken (Anzeige)? Eventuell gibt es dort etwas Passendes.

 

Der V16 Motor zum Selberbauen (Anzeige) ist auch genial.

[Gast Tiescher]

Naja, die Seite aufrufen, oben in der Befehlszeile alles was dort steht (fängt mit "http://www." an) markieren und mit einem rechten Mausklick kopieren, dann in der Antwort auf das kleine Link-Symbol klicken (das ist der Globus mit der liegenden 8 davor), ein kleines Fenster geht auf und dort fügt man den kopierten Link ein. Dann OK drücken und fertich. Vielleicht noch ein bisschen Text drumrum machen.

Ich bin mal so frei:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/convertibeandsportscars/2722797/The-tragic-tale-of-the-Jensen-S-V8.html

Morgen lernen wir dann noch, dm Link einen eigenen Namen zu geben, so wie das hier:

DRÜCK MICH FEST MIT DER MAUS!

Gruß Björn

[Graunase]

Weiter gehts:

Every new model needs a budget for such things but it wasn't there for the S-V8. Only 20 cars ever left the factory before Jensen Motors went into administration last July and all 35 employees were laid off, leaving an empty factory and a few partly-built cars. There are some broken hearts around Merseyside.

Most of the deposits were lost, too, but customers with credit card protection escaped, I am told. Probably only the Jensen name itself remains to be sold. A resumption of full production must be a fantasy. Getting suppliers to make all the hundreds of parts required would alone seem more than daunting at this stage.

Not quite all is lost, however. Last week, I finally got to drive the brand-new official press demonstrator. An even smaller company, SV Automotive of Carterton, near Witney, has bought the remaining few, partly-built cars from the administrator and has been granted a two-year licence in which to complete them and a five-year licence to service them.

In theory, 18 cars could be built but SV's MD, Graham Henly, has decided that the only practical course is to build 12 and retain the others as spares. The car I drove is the first of those 12. The rest will be completed this year and sold exclusively through the long-established classic car specialist Oselli, in Witney. A proper warranty will come with the SV Automotive S-V8s.

So that's it. What we have here is an instant classic car. That seems to be how David Eales, MD of Oselli, sees them and I think he is a wise man. This is not a machine that should be sold to the kind of customer who normally buys a new Mercedes-Benz and expects perfection in every detail. It is a machine for the enthusiast. At heart, it is a very high quality product that never quite got into full production. Having sampled the first of SV Automotive's Jensens, I don't doubt that, with minor improvements and alterations, they will build them well.

The S-V8's specification had already changed before Jensen Motors had to give up the impossible task. Too many aluminium-alloy outer body panels, I believe, were emerging from the press as scrap. They went over to steel, which is easier to press, making the car weigh 1,360kg, up a claimed 80kg on the original. The bumpers and tonneau are made of glass-fibre now.

Other details have also changed. The neat hood frame, very good on the test car, has had to be reworked at considerable expense. SV Automotive made further minor changes, including different seats and a centre console in carbon-fibre instead of the original, impractical, reflective metal.

Building this car is today an even more flexible operation than one normally finds in the motor industry. SV Automotive is actually three blokes working in an industrial unit. They are the managing director, the production director and the production expert; they seem to know their stuff.

At the end of this tragic tale, two questions remain: what is the S-V8 like to drive and what does it cost? There is good news on both fronts. In short, the car looks extremely good and the cockpit has the feel and appearance of a very high quality machine. The fact that the interior trim at the passenger's door shut did not line up perfectly hardly seemed important. The S-V8 is comfortable for drivers of widely varying sizes and everything on the car I tried worked properly.

The 325bhp Ford Mustang Cobra engine and its five-speed gearbox are known to be superb. The car sounds great when you start it up and it's easy to move off smoothly. First impressions were good and the more I drove it, the more impressed I was. The fundamental design is sophisticated and the chassis is packed with expensive, high quality components. It has that fundamental integrity in its construction, the sort of car that a big company would make, just as Jensen Motors claimed.

At low speed you can hear some noises from the rear suspension but that's just poor soundproofing. There is nothing wrong with what the suspension is doing and this extremely fast car is a pleasure to drive. It was well-designed in the first place and the respected race driver Martin Stretton was called in to help "sort" the handling. He has done a fine job.

Traction is excellent, the steering is very good and the brakes feel powerful. It's a driver's car: a machine for the connoisseur to appreciate. Anti-lock brakes and traction control were never included in the design.

I reckon the S-V8 is, by a long way, the best Jensen ever. What a tragedy. And the price of these 12 cars now? They are a bargain at £38,070 each, on the road, including nearly all the items previously listed as extras: air conditioning, full leather seats, metallic paint, top grade audio equipment and CD changer. Had Jensen Motors survived at Speke, I estimate that that specification would have brought a bill of at least £45,500.

But there's another way of looking at it, and that is the true cost of the S-V8. The investors put in close to £10 million and now it seems there will never be more than a grand total of 32 cars. Somebody has therefore already paid well over £300,000 for each of them. One of the senior guys who was at Speke insists that another £500,000 invested would have seen them through. It seems cruel to disagree but I can confirm one thing: they did create a very good car.

Jensen SV-8

Price/availability: £38,070 on the road, fully equipped. Twelve cars to be sold this year, available only from Oselli Ltd of Witney; tel 01993 849610.

Engine/transmissions: 4,601cc, V8, 32-valve petrol; 330bhp at 6,000rpm, 320lb ft of torque at 4,800rpm. Five-speed manual gearbox, rear-wheel drive.

Performance: (claimed) top speed 160mph, 0-60mph in less than 5sec, fuel consumption and emissions n/a.

We like: Superb Ford Mustang Cobra engine and Tremec T45 gearbox, style, basic integrity of design.

We don't like: Recent Jensen Motors Ltd company history.

Alternatives: BMW Z4 3.0i, from £30,855. Morgan Plus Eight, from £35,497, or Aero, from £55,500. TVR Chimaera, from £34,980, or Tamora, from £36,500, or Tuscan, from £39,850.

[Gast Tiescher]

Hach, was war ich in meiner Oberlehrerart langsam....

[Ferrarinarr]

Naja, die Seite aufrufen, oben in der Befehlszeile alles was dort steht (fängt mit "http://www." an) markieren und mit einem rechten Mausklick kopieren, dann in der Antwort auf das kleine Link-Symbol klicken (das ist der Globus mit der liegenden 8 davor), ein kleines Fenster geht auf und dort fügt man den kopierten Link ein. Dann OK drücken und fertich. Vielleicht noch ein bisschen Text drumrum machen.

Ich bin mal so frei:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/convertibeandsportscars/2722797/The-tragic-tale-of-the-Jensen-S-V8.html

Morgen lernen wir dann noch, dm Link einen eigenen Namen zu geben, so wie das hier:

DRÜCK MICH FEST MIT DER MAUS!

Gruß Björn

Ganz vielen herzlichen Dank auch Dir, Björn!

Was Computer angeht, bin ich nicht halb so gescheit wie ein durchschnittliches kleines Kind von heute. Ich merke u. a. daran, daß ich alt werde...

Grüße,

Philipp

[Graunase]

Und an Dich Philipp daß Du hier wieder ein wenig Schwung reingebracht hast!

Solche Vehikel können die Briten immer noch am besten bauen,keine Ahnung warum.Wobei ich jetzt das Design von dem hier nicht 100% gelungen finde...

[Ferrarinarr]

Hach, was war ich in meiner Oberlehrerart langsam....

Ich weiß nicht, ob Du nun "langsam" warst mit Deiner Beschreibung, wie ein Link zu setzen ist. Für mich war es jedenfalls super detailliert und prima nachzuvollziehen - und für einen Computer-Vollhonk wie mich kann es gar nicht langsam und ausführlich genug gehen:wink:

Nochmals vielen Dank Dir:-))!

Philipp

[Ferrarinarr]

@Graunase:

Ja, ich gebe zu, daß mir der neue Jensen auch nicht sooo toll gefallen hat, aber er war doch mal "etwas anderes".

Und ich stimme Dir zu, daß die meisten Autos, welche (zumindest ich) als "Gesichter in der Menge" bezeichnen würde, immer noch aus der Heimat Chaucers, Shakespeares, Miltons, Purcells und Elgars stammten und stammen. Ich denke da an Autos wie z. B. Morgan, TVR, Alvis und und und - bis hin zu Jensen ;-)

Grüße,

Philipp

[Graunase]

Und vergiss mir den Marcos nicht!

Und jetzt fang nicht noch mit Komponisten aus GB an-das machen wir ein anderes mal...

[netburner]

Dieser Jensen GT wurde in Bremen zum Kauf angeboten, habe allerdings leider den Preis nicht mehr im Kopf. Zustand meiner Meinung nach eine gute 2 minus.

[Ferrarinarr]

@Graunase:

O. K. Das wäre wirklich eher was fürs Off-Topic. Da hast Du natürlich recht :-)

Ich habe als Hersteller auch noch Noble vergessen, fällt mir ein:D

[hugoservatius]

Sehr seltenes Interceptor Convertible mit Speichenrädern, leider in erbärmlichem Zustand, völlig versalzen und verdreckt, Heiligabend 1997 in Hamburg.

[hugoservatius]

Und als Gegensatz zu dem etwas 'runtergerittenen Interceptor aus Hamburg nun noch einer von der Stuttgarter Messe:

[Markus Berzborn]

Sehr schön. Ich meine, den auch schon bei mobile.de gesehen zu haben.

Gruß,

Markus

[Markus Berzborn]

In der letzten Ausgabe von British Classic Cars gab es übrigens einen vierseitigen Interceptor-Artikel. Ein schönes Exemplar war dort abgebildet, aber ansonsten stand nicht viel neues drin.

Gruß,

Markus

[Graunase]

Wheeler Dealers nimmt sich eines Mk III an: