[ROUMOR] Specs of the engines for 2005 C-Class

[Thunf]

I was just trying to make a statement like it would have coming from you Latenight!

Your certainly free to buy a honda, they are getting more quiet inside and comfortable. But it isn't a luxury car yet. The C is a good car I'd rather have, you are free to critizise but I haven't seen anything you like about mercedes. When you critizised Mercedes for using plastic bumbers you should critizise the entire market for that. I like plastic bumbers, then its cheaper to buy new.. looks is what it really should be like.

"A car meant to be eco friendly has no use for a large displacement engine"

Let's give an example. I know from experience in 1995 that a Mondeo 1.6 takes more fuel than 1.8. That is natural as the bigger discplacement don't need to push as much. Those engines are exacly the same, bigger bore is the difference.


"So basically, what I mean by "' keep it simple stupid '" is that, as far as an eco car goes, Mercedes makes it more complicated than it has to be, driving costs up."
- Mercedes is a luxury car, buy anything else if you want it simple! your free to do that, but people buy mercedes because they may have tried it out.

[LateNightCable]

Originally Posted by Thunf I was just trying to make a statement like it would have coming from you Latenight!

If you don't think my statements towards Mercedes have been fair, then you obviously have not been around here long enough to know better.

I haven't seen anything you like about mercedes.

I like the high quality things about Mercedes, and they build their cars with a very solid structure, maybe not in the ageless way they used to, but they're still good. Mercedes are also traditionally very stable cruisers. I like those things.

When you critizised Mercedes for using plastic bumbers you should critizise the entire market for that.

I didn't criticise plastic bumpers, I criticised cheap plastic grills, and yes, I fault practically the entire market on that. Mercedes also uses cheap plastic door handles. I expect more of a premium automobile, wouldn't you?

Let's give an example. I know from experience in 1995 that a Mondeo 1.6 takes more fuel than 1.8. That is natural as the bigger discplacement don't need to push as much.

This is where the light weight comes in. Small displacement and light weight are very important. The said Mondeo is really too large to benefit much from such small powerplant as a 1.6. Not a great match.

Mercedes is a luxury car.

Then perhaps the low cost eco car market is not for them. Although you know how MB must have it's finger in every pie. But as you say, we are all free to buy whatever we want.

[reggid]

Originally Posted by GIR I'm not sure whether this is true but these numbers look very realistic and very sweet aswell. Here are the numbers: 1793 ccm displacement 145 kw (197 hp) @ 5200 rpm 220 Nm @ 2500 to 4200 rpm 0 - 100 in 8.2 seconds Top Speed 232 km/h Fuel consumption 7.2 litres NEDC combined EU-4 emission compliance

It seems a bit optimistic especially since peak power is at only at 5200rpm. look at any car with 80kw/L, the peak power is usually 7000+rpm.

[Thunf]

I like Mercedes allot but I never thrust rumours, especially not figures. No way the peak power is on that rpm. impossible if NA.
When I see that engine I believ it but i'd never discuss a rumour too much..

And Latenight! Yes we are free to buy whatever we want, don't then tell me what is right and wrong - you should always include "according to me" when claiming things...

I've tried a Mazda 6, I'd never buy that car because it feels as the engine is just as the 323 1.5 from 97. And I also think the same about honda. When I close the door it doesn't sound good. Also the sound inside is pretty loud in comparison to the C. The C is pretty lightweight, my C from 97 is bigger but more lightweight than my previous mondeo...

[LateNightCable]

Thunf, I never stated anything about " right and wrong ", and anything in the forum that is not a spec, is likely to be someone's opinion. Thats' why we're here, to express opinions and stories. Don't put a lot of store in rumours, you have that right.

And a 1997 C-Class is not lighter than a Mondeo. Mercedes have never been low cost or light. And for as much as an MB costs, I should hope it's quiet inside.

[Thunf]

"And a 1997 C-Class is not lighter than a Mondeo. Mercedes have never been low cost or light. And for as much as an MB costs, I should hope it's quiet inside."

- Hey! I've owned them both and compared the papers! The Mondeo was exactly 1450 kg while the Merc is 1330 kg. Moreover, I have a diesel in the C. The C you are talking about might be the avantgarde with most equipments? I have no idea why people complains about heavyweight Mercedes. A comparable Audi turn the scale in the same range, the same with BMW in exception of M3 CSL.

And you said you hope it's quiet inside. Then you haven't tried a Mercedes at all, have you? Then I understand you got somewhat wrong picture.

[GIR]

With Active Noise Cancelation you can't hear the engine and the road anymore.

[mv]

i wonder how it works ... ?

[LateNightCable]

Originally Posted by Thunf I have no idea why people complains about heavyweight Mercedes. A comparable Audi turn the scale in the same range, the same with BMW in exception of M3 CSL.

It's not the weight of Mercedes so much, but other manufacturers can handle it better.

And you said you hope it's quiet inside. Then you haven't tried a Mercedes at all, have you? Then I understand you got somewhat wrong picture.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the intricasies of the English language. Saying I hope is not saying that I don't know.

What was your original beef all along, I forgot?

[Thunf]

Originally Posted by LateNightCable It's not the weight of Mercedes so much, but other manufacturers can handle it better.

How? You mean the chassie and suspension of Mercedes cars are bad?

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the intricasies of the English language. Saying I hope is not saying that I don't know. What was your original beef all along, I forgot?

You have tried and you think Mercedes are loud inside? what Mercedes did you try?
You always complains on Mercedes, just because the brand.