@LateNightCable
My name is Rordog, and I'm a
Pickledick. When someone like LateNightCable gives me an argumant that I don't have an answer for, I fly off the handle and begin slinging pointless insults. I am really in no position to judge the size of anyone's genitalia, but I do that because I wish mine weren't so small - and
pickle-like. And as long as I continue to write offensive posts on this fine website, LateNight will continue to make me look like an ***** by fiddling with my posts.
Anyway, I was using the word 'based' loosely, which was emphasized by the final product being different like night and day when discussing the m5 v10. Words can have varying degrees of connotation in the English language.
I don’t quite see how a forced induction viper engine pushing ~900+ horses could be considered reliable. My knowledge on vipers (which admittedly is not all encompassing) is that to get the large numbers out of it turbo charging is used. To do this with most engines the internals have to be strengthened and I imagine the viper is no different. Now experience tells me that engines pushed to nearly twice their normal operating ability, no matter how beefed up, inherently run into reliability problems. Parts break significantly more often. This point is moot if resources are virtually unlimited like on some race teams because the engine will be so well tuned, but even then constant repairs and adjustments are the norm. The average viper tuner does not have unlimited funds and ergo unreliable power is created. Many people accept the trade off of more power to more repairs and that is fine, but the fact remains.
The m5 engine is designed to withstand higher internal pressures, which means that it is built stronger in the first place. Now I am not sure of the compression ratio on either vehicle or whether they are turbo friendly (can’t be bothered to look it up), but I image with modification either engine could benefit from some boost. The m5 engine is built to put out what it is putting out now just as the viper engine is too. Many manufacturers could develop engines that produce huge numbers, but stock reliability is a major concern. Testing provides the maximum reliability to power that they can release without fear of catastrophic failure and recalls. Either company
could release a more powerful engine, but they choose not to for the reasons above as well as others.
Without argument Honda builds some of the most reliable engines in the world. They are screamers; granted they are 4’s and 6’s, but through the evolution of manufacturing a high revving production v10 is possible. There will always be people who want more power and they could care less how it is achieved. There is no replacement for displacement is an age-old adage that needs to go out the door. The past is a reference point, a benchmark, something that is to be used to see what can be made better. For the most part domestic producers are stagnant; they are standing still. If they haven’t been surpassed (which many people feel they have) then they soon will be.
We may never see ceramic brakes and 10,000 rpm engines on family cars because the average consumer is satisfied with their ignorance to the possibilities. Everything is demand driven. Consumers don’t demand those features therefore they aren’t on those cars. Virtually everything on your vehicle comes from racing in on form or another. Toned down and mass-produced, but developed first for some type of racing.
I for one think the Iron Age, or the Copper age was the highpoint of human society. Those things worked well at the time, but when better materials were found they were used. Mass acceptance is the best way to move down the experience curve and drive down production/development costs on new, better materials like carbon fibre.
“You can’t know where you are going, until you know where you’ve been,” is true which is why I clearly stated the past is a reference point. I am glad you agree with me on that. Again innovation drives the world. At some point push rods were an incredible new design implemented because someone was not happy with the current standard. They were not sated by how things were. Similarly we are seeing push rods go in favor of new designs. It is human nature to progress. It is also human nature to fear the unknown and dig oneself into a nice consistent rut. Different strokes for different folks I guess.
Internal combustion is outdated and I did allude to alternative power trains in my last post. I am very excited to see manufacturers pushing the envelope and developing entirely new technology. Sadly this is a field that the domestics are already falling behind in once again even though Ford has made a marginal attempt.
It is interesting LateNightCable, you say don’t fix it if it isn’t broken, and that if something is working well enough then why strive to improve on it or change it. Then you also go on to say that alternative power is the way to go. But I thought push rods were perfect and all the car we would ever need. In the future, if you are in a debate/argument, pick a side and stick with it and try not to completely contradict yourself.
(look out here comes super LateNightCable) If you are afraid others will agree with me, or that you are losing, which you have obviously demonstrated by altering my post, then I guess I understand your cowardly method of oppressing my right to free-speech. On second thought I can’t understand it. I did not break forum protocol (one non-swearing insult) or if I did it would warrant a warning and deleting the offensive material. You have proven to be such a coward that you tamper with the rest of what I have written. Good job, I hope you feel like a big man, though I bet that is difficult given your aforementioned predicament.
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