McLaren F1 or Bugatti Veyron?

[LateNightCable]

With a lighter car with sharper reflexes, there would be a greater margin for getting yourself out of a sudden bind, so your potential for being " done " would not be as great. The Veyron doesn't supply that luxury.

This whos' got big balls horsepower war is indeed stupid though. The greatest trump is a vary light car that not only gets the job done, but dominates with a fraction of the power. Like the superlight motorcycle powered sportscar I spoke of on the " Amazing 80s' " thread in Miscellanious. I would love to see more attention focused upon lightness, better use of available materials, and simplification of systems. Rather than huge power and every gizmo under the sun.

[Kevin321]

All I want is a car from BMW that
can beat the veyron

[mv]

330kmh veyron against 391kmh f1..clear winner...in case of top speed..

[Kevin321]

thats true but we still have not seen
the top speed on the veyron

[mv]

it's gonna be limited

[kleinefisch]

I agree that there need to be better materials used more often, rather than putting more power into cars, however, this is much more expensive. Better materials, like titanium, magnesium, and carbon fiber are harder to work with, and need more skilled craftsmen to machine it. There are always tradeoffs.

[LateNightCable]

I don't mean using really expensive materials like magnesium, titanium, and carbon fiber so much. Even that stuff is a little old hat, because everyone would like to use that. What I mean is true innovation. Like an idea I had to use reinforced paper mache for light weight body panels - and I don't mean 3rd. grade art class either. More extensive use of aluminum space frames, recycled paper for seat stuffing, varied packing density for different levels of softness, man made leather and suede which has become very good over the years, as a low cost, and animal friendy alternative to hides. Things like that. I don't see real innovation like that much. These all would be low cost, and low weight. Unlike the above mentioned " exotic " materials which are just light.

[thepolarfoxqx]

recycled paper? why not just brand new weyerhauser from an evergreen chopped down in wisonsin? Why put paper in seats, the heat sensative variable pressure foam that they use is much superior to any paper.

magnesium alloys have a future, as strong as iron, lighter than aluminum, expensive, but nice. carbon fibre is massively expensive at the moment, but in the future, advanced carbon composites could become very cheap and nearly a dream material.

[LateNightCable]

Variable pressure heat sensitive foam my ass . Done the right way, with different grades, and varying degrees of shred, it would be just fine. As for not using brand new paper, you know why.

[thepolarfoxqx]

paper would eventually break down and wear out and your seats would get flacid.

i'm not into flacid seats.

and it's variable pressure heat sensative foam FOR your ass


recycled paper? bah, i don't like trees anyway.