Lambo Gallardo or Ferrari 360 CS? - Page 4

allanlambo · 11-26-04, 08:39 AM

Hp is Hp, and nitrous does not degrade the car in anyway. If i dont TT my car, i may build the bottem end, and bump up to a 250shot.

As for the F50, it is trash. It is a known fact that the previous F40 outperformed it in any situation. It is not fast( was in a Diablo 6.0 with just a cat-back exhaust, and an F50 could not pull away from us, we also had about a 200pd weight penalty for the 2 of us in the car, F50 driver was alone), handling is not particularly good, nor are the brakes. Inmo, it is extremely ugly. I was able to drive on at the Cavallino Classic several years ago around Moroso, back to back with an F40. The F40 seemed to be twice the car. Only aspect the F50 excells over the f40 is in build quality, as the F40 is pretty bad. Again, just as in the Enzos case, the F50 is WAY overpriced. Atleast the Enzo has vastly superior performance, while the F50 does not.

Also, do you know why Ferrari has set stricts rules in place making sure owners of these cars never allow anyone to post Nurburgring or Hockenheim times? Because they dont want to be embarresed. Do you know Ferrari has been caught lying about hp and weight claims on recent cars? This was proven on the Ferrari boardds when owners weighed their 360CS's and dynoed them. Hp was down, and weight was up. Do you know that Ferrari dealers along with Ferrari create a false market for their cars? 360's sold for way over msrp for a long, long time. But if you look in the Dupont, from day one, there were hundreds of them for sale, all by individual owners, used cars with no miles. No how do you think that happens?

bleh · 11-26-04, 05:35 PM

skyline, i think your missing my point: a project car is never finished.
there is nothing wrong with n2o on an exotic. remember with the engine he has he will get much better gains with the same amount than you or i would.

to allan though, man is a 250 shot really that much better? i mean think of the possibilities when you are pushing psi. no need to refill the bottle. and everytime you get past a certain rpm you just pull. i know its a lot of work with custom fabrication and all that, but you know its going to be so much more fun.

i dont know, i think im just a turbo whore and should try to get back on topic.

LateNightCable · 11-26-04, 06:48 PM

Well, I hope everyone had a pleasant Thanksgiving, everyone who celebrates it that is. This thread has come a long way.

Allenlambo, you may have a history of owning Ferrari's but your assumption that all except the F40 are trash is pretty extreme. And as you yourself understandably place such great importance on solid experience, how can you say that the F430 will be a boring car - you can't, you have never driven one, and prabably have never seen one in person. And as for Lambo beating Ferrari in looks all day long, you can say that, but it doesn't mean a whole lot since looks are purely subjective.

I happen to agree that Ferrari has become a marketing whore, and the cars they crank out are not as special as they might have been before. But however overpriced, or fragile, the cars remain some of the best performing in the world. Every make of car has it's ups and downs, high points in history, and low points - without exception. You can say that your experience with Ferrari has not been good, and that you highly prefer Lamborghini, but don't say they are trash. As the leader of your own forum, isn't open mindedness one of the traits you value?

As far as nitrous goes, my opinion of it is not high, epecially in an exotic. It's a band-aid, a steroid injection. Good for fast runs down the strip, but other than that, it's not practical at all. I like to see what a car can do on it's own.

To correct Speedster25, Maserati does not run on Mercedes engines, they are Ferrari based if anything.

allanlambo · 11-26-04, 07:47 PM

I dont need to drive a 430. Ive driven a 360, and the 430 is just a massaged 360, so yes it is trash.

As for nitrous being a band aid, its a great one at that when you are bouncing off the rev limiter in 5th and the speedo is indicating approx where 230mph would be, since the speedo stops at 220. On its own, with no nitrous, the Diablo still flies.

wEstSide · 11-26-04, 08:11 PM

What about computer controlled nitrous? That way nitrous is only used at optimal times, I've seen a few use this on hillclimbs and I don't see why it's bad.

LateNightCable · 11-26-04, 08:22 PM

Uh, no Allan, the 430 is not a massaged 360, and even if it were, that would be one hell of a massage. Were talking deep tissue here. You're obviously jaded about this whole Ferrari - Lambo discussion, so it's not worth speaking to you about it rationally. Just don't pass your judgement off as absolute truth, that's not cool.

The bad thing about nitrous it's not constant, it runs out. It's worse than burning premium unleaded at a gallon a minute at $20 per gallon. Though I admit, I'm not much into drag racing anyway. But as for the topic at hand - Westside, what would be your choice, 360 Challenge Stradale or Gallardo?

allanlambo · 11-26-04, 08:34 PM

Latenight, stick to reading magazines.

LateNightCable · 11-26-04, 08:51 PM

Real clever, did I hit a nerve? Allan, stick to resort sales, you're not the afficionado you think you are. If you ditch this topic because you're tired of having every point you make countered with something that actually makes sense, then it won't be the first time. For someone who is a mod on your own forum, you're not very fair minded. And yes, I think I will continue to read good magazines, they're very educational.

wEstSide · 11-26-04, 09:00 PM

I'm not really sure, I haven't driven either one. From what I've seen, the Gallardo is badass, and the CS is even "badder". However, the Gallardo has a v10, and is cheaper by a healthy 40,000 dollars. The CS has a sequential as opposed to a conventional 6-speed. It's also 700 pounds lighter (!) than the Gallardo. Gallardo has AWD, which is sweet, but is still a little slower in straight-line speed, most likely due to the extra weight, as it has 100 more peak ft/lbs of torque at 4500 than the CS, and about 75 more peak hp at 7800, both of which come before the Ferrari. As for revs, both hit power up till the redline, 8500 rpm for the CS and 7800 rpm for the Gallardo. As for speed, the CS definitely wins, but not by much. I've seen the Gallardo lap and it does pretty well, even though it is limited by weight. The CS still obliterates the Gallardo when it comes to track times, but in terms of straight line speed, the Gallardo is pretty close.

It seems to me you are asking, "Which would you rather own?" The answer is the Gallardo, the CS might be sportier, but the Gallardo is more comfortable, and AWD makes it less of a hassle to drive. I don't know for sure though, I might drive the CS and become hooked.

May I digress?

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As for the F50, it is trash

Very true, F40 beats it any day of the week, fiscal year, Yemenese calendar year, etc. F50 was not well thought out, really.

Speedster25 · 11-26-04, 09:46 PM

You can't say the F50 is trash. Thats like saying it belongs in a junkyard, which it does not. You are being a little critical, that is like saying every other car to Lamborghini is a peice of crap, which I can say is not true. Why would you need a 250 shot of nitrous in a Lambo, those cars aren't made for using nitrous. I'm sorry, but I can't quite get you. I agree with LNC, at least keep an open-mind about everything, instead of looking in a tunnel. In your case your tunnel, is that everything inside of it is Lambo, and everything outside is all the other cars. Would you say the McLaren is a piece of crap or the future Koenigsegg, or other exotic cars?. What about in 2007, when Ferrari will come out with the F60, that already is supposed to have at least 800bhp, will that be the same? To tell you the truth I would like any Ferrari, or Lambo, or whatever. I keep an open mind, even when my favorite is the CCR or F1. But as a brand Ferrari is my favorite, but I like Lambo too. Go up to Ferrari's headquarters, and say Ferrari's are pieces of crap to an exec. And I'd bet he would just shrug you off. Be a little more respectful.

And LNC: Did I say Maserati used MB-engines?, maybe I wrote something differently, I know they used Ferrari engines, or their own. O yea my bad about that report. I accidently clicked on it.