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Old 01-06-04, 09:19 PM   #1
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Default 500 horsies SL55 vs. Galardo vs. Viper SRT-10

Read here:
http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...9a2f507791b60c

Okay so the article is in german... I'll do my best to translate some of the more interesting parts.

So who's the fastest?
The Benz. The Galardo can follow the SL but with some difficulty. The SL and the Galardo have no problem at all leaving the SRT-10 behind.

Noteable is however that the SL is the only one limited to 250kph (155mph). So once the 250 comes up, the Galardo and SRT-10 have no problem leaving the SL behind. Very frustrating because the SL shoots to 250 like an arrow and then suddenly the limiter comes up.

Which one has the best handeling?
Galardo followed by the SL and as last the SRT-10. The Viper has much trouble keeping it straight on their test track.

Conclusion:
All three cars are a class apart. From the brute boombastic fire hazardous Viper to the Compromiseless track potent and fast Galardo to the sport machine with class, style, elegance and potential the SL. All three have their own ups and downs.

For their final rating look here:
http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...rtikel_seite=5

Translation of the judgement points:
Optik = Styling (looks)
Sound = Sound
Handling/Rennstrecke = Handeling on the course
Fahrsicherheit = Safety
Fahrspaß = Driving pleasure
Federung = Shockbreakers
Lenkung = Steering
Schaltung = Shifting
Sitze/Platz = Seats and seating
Alltagstauglichkeit = Everyday usefullness
Beschleunigung = Acceleration
Zwischenspurt = Sprint from 60 to 120 kph
Vmax = Topspeed
Leistungs-Gewicht = Weight
Bremsen = Breaks
Preis = Price
Ausstattung = Options that come with it
Verbrauch = Mileage
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Old 01-07-04, 01:12 AM   #2
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wow, so the Gallardo, which everyone had doubts on (atleast in the american press), and the yaughtly SL55 BOTH owned the viper. someone finally sticking up for my belief that it isn't that good.
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Old 01-07-04, 03:47 AM   #3
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OKay guyz little retification, seems I translated the text a little bit wrong:

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Dem Lambo kann der Sternen-Kreuzer zwar trotzdem nicht ganz folgen, zumindest die Viper lässt er aber immer knapp hinter sich.

I thought this said:
The Lambo can follow the Starcruiser but can't just quite keep up. at least the Viper gets left behind everytime with a good distance.

But what it's supposed to say is:
The Starcruiser can follow the Lambo but can't just quite keep up. at least the Viper gets left behind everytime with a good distance.

So if you ask the question who's the fastest? The Lambo followed by the SL (keeping up but can't quite pass) and then the Viper with a long distance.

Everybody on this board knew the Viper wouldn't perform. Atleast fox me and a few others did. It's nice to see our thoughts final confirmed by a 3rd party (a very indepedent 3rd party might I add).

With over 500kg more weight aboard the SL does a good job at keeping up with the Lambo but just doesn't have what it takes. The Lambo is a ment to be a racehorse and the SL not.
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Oh come on, a Viper being left behind by an SL55? The thing is a 4,300lb. boat with an automatic, and a power to weight ratio of 8.8 lbs. I think maybe European testers just don't know how to test American cars. They probably put the Viper in there for kicks thinking it wasn't a serious contender anyway. Bias. Every other place, the Viper kicks ass in a straight line. Whats' with tail pipes, are side pipes forbidden in Europe?
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I wouldn't say the German press is baised or unobjective. If there is one western country with free independent press it's Germany. They don't lett themselves be influenced by any advertisers or are biased towards their own stuff (probably because they know it's among the best in the world).

I don't read Dutch or English magazines and such, they're all full of nonsense. The Quote is a magazine I hate with hart and soul. If I really want to read a tech magazine then I (try to) read German stuff. Some German magazines do translated to Dutch or English.

Their articles, be it tech or cars, are always based on facts, objective and well argumented.

They did give the Viper a fair chance, and they rated the Viper fairly. Look at the rating they gave the Viper when it comes to breaking. American cars always had much better breaks then their European counter parts and the Viper has the biggest breaks of them all. And that fact clearly comes out their ratings.

I think the reason why the SL and Galardo come out on top when it comes to speed is because they both have ESP. The Viper doesn't have ESP which makes it really hard to pull out. Germans and Italians in general make better gearboxes, those 2 combined give the two a very big edge over the Viper.
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in a staight line i sure wouldn't put my money on a viper over a gallardo, the numbers are just so much gallardo's favor. SL55 has the perfect torque curve too, and i generally don't bet against mercedes. This doesn't suprise me much. I'm fairly sure the american press gives bias to their home cars. this one was fair, and that's why it didn't win.
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Tnx for bringing that up aswell, the SL might be heavier but it has much more torque available much sooner then the Viper.

Viper: 711Nm @ 4250 - ?? rpm
SL55 : 700Nm @ 2750 - 5300 rpm

The SL has a very wide powerband, while the Viper just has a little peak.

According to the 0 - 60 times the SL is faster aswell. Maybe just a 10th of a second but it is faster.

Viper SRT-10: 4.8s
SL55: 4.7s

Even when you do a price comparison then the SL comes out on top. The SL costs 18k more but for that money you get the lastest tech, a good entertainment system, airco and a automatic hardtop.

The Viper is a manualy operated convertible, no airco, somewhat outdated tech and a mediocre entertainment system.

I think if the SL was a 500kg lighter it could easily take on the Galardo and some other highperformace cars aswell.
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i don't think you could make an SL55 500kg lighter without loosing that big engine and all the high tech things that make an SL55.
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So you're saying that 0-60 in 4.8 is the true time for the Viper. Unless the SRT/10 is slower than it's predesessor, I don't see how GTS could maintain a reputation for 0-60 in 4.0 and a 1/4 mi. in the 12s' all these years if it were a ruse.
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SRT legitimately should in my opinion be somewhere 4.0-4.5
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