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LateNightCable · 10-27-04, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cstavaru

The old 7-series looks too outdated, although it still looks good especially with some particular tunings.

I understand, but I have to bring this up.
It's strange how people often confuse a design that is "old" with one that is no good. As though anything new, is always better, with hardly any exception, simply because it's new. I mean, it's not as though the E38 is Model T vintage or anything. It's a way of thinking that I think is common among those with indefinite tastes.

Just an observation.

zit · 10-28-04, 10:24 AM

the new 7 is ugly sure it may have presence but the fact is that the old 7 is timeless and in my view as a car to drive is a triumph and the new 7 its new so called radical looks have ruines the new 3 series , for the first time in my 28 year life this is the first time bmw have disapointed me

thepolarfoxqx · 11-27-04, 06:05 PM

BMW used to be purely sporty. The presence they carried was one of excitement, they were not the prestige vaults that mercedes was, they said "i'm more exciting and dynamic than that", now they've lost some of that, they've tried to be "i'm artsy" instead.

LateNightCable · 11-27-04, 09:03 PM

Not even artsy really, just ... Spaced out and techy. Like Cadillac, but not quite as bad. I think all the carmakers are in a mad dash to prove that they are the future. Because these days, being "contemporary" is looked at as being almost as outdated as being old fashioned. I wish people could learn to settle down.

thepolarfoxqx · 11-29-04, 07:25 PM

cadillacs were ugly before they got all "art and science" though. Mercedes is not getting more modern, just less attractive. The SLK350 is a step backwards in my opinion style wise. Oh well. Audi is trading in their very likable bauhaus styling for wanna be dynamic and conetmporary super-grille looks. Jaguar gave up their low-slung, cat-like look for practicality. All of it is too bad

LateNightCable · 11-29-04, 08:28 PM

Cadillac has a spotty history of looking good, the mid-90's, Seville in particular were not too bad, and pre-1970 hell, now thats CADILLAC.

I think Ford gave up Jaguar's feline pedigree for practicality. It figures they would attempt to cash in at some point with mass appeal. Thats' the way a parent company always goes.

zit · 12-01-04, 03:58 PM

people demand a more comfy car maybe that's why bemeer's have gone more towards luxury but they have not been ruined ........... YET!!!

LateNightCable · 12-01-04, 06:44 PM

That is true, as the competition becomes more cushy and feature oriented, BMW must keep pace, and therefore cars become heavier and less hardcore, or less about pure driver involvment. There may come a time when the only BMW's for real drivers are the M models. I hope those don't go south.

I hope everyone posting here is putting in their vote for favorite generation.

thepolarfoxqx · 12-02-04, 12:17 AM

Well, ironically, my x-type, which has a ton of parts sourced from ford definately feels jaguar, it's seats are narrow, the roof is no, the back seat has no purpose, it's quirky, lol. oh well. too bad they up and made the bigger jaguars practical.

BMW's popularity came from their image, that they were trendy, sporty, young, and vital. They have to keep that in order to keep flourishing. It wouldn't hurt to make a harder edged car I don't think. Then again, I still drive an E30.

LateNightCable · 12-02-04, 01:23 AM

But they don't build E30's any longer. It wouldn't hurt to make a harder edged car again - That's where the 2002 came from, BMW felt a need for a smaller, lighter car. And this marked the birth of their small coupes, and later the 3-Series. It had a revolutionizing effect.

Nowadays, even the 3-Series is kinda big. There needs to be a return to something smaller and lighter, more sparse - it doesn't have to mean bare bones or base. Even M seems slightly off course at the moment.