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Old 09-20-04, 08:29 PM   #41
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I was just thinking how WAY off-topic we are but it happens.
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Old 09-20-04, 09:37 PM   #42
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"the greater good best served by each individual pursuing his own self interest". - Adam Smith
That is all fine and well, but it easily turns into " the greater good best served by each individual pursuing his own selfish interest ". It's simple to disassociate one's self from humanity by saying that. But the truth is, we all have a responsibility to one another in some way. Like the saying goes, no man is an island.

Philanthropy is forced all the time, thats' what taxes are. Mandatory philanthropy to the government. My feeling is that it should be used more for focused humanitarian good works ( preferably at home before anywhere else ) instead of reckless spending on who knows' what.

Off topic, but this topic isn't without value.
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Old 09-20-04, 11:36 PM   #43
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smith argued that it should be selfish. You would do what was best for you, and in doing so, what was also best for the economy. John Forbes Nash revised Smith a number of years ago (there is a movie about him, "A Beautiful Mind"), his "Game Theory" stated, essentially, that the greatest good is served by doing what is in your best interest, while doing what was best for everyone else. The movie gives a great vision of his "blonde" example. All the same, what you are talking about is social democracy, like what sweden, denmark, finland, norway, and to a lesser extent - holland, germany, and france have. America has remained more purely captialistic, and we have prospered in it, so I would have trouble changing our fundamental ideology of economy.
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Old 09-21-04, 12:21 AM   #44
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America has succeeded in becoming a very, very wealthy and powerful nation because of it's capitolism. As a bi-product, it has also become one of the most willful, and self absorbed. No plan is perfect, pure capitolism would work fine - if everyone as a whole could blend their selfish wants and needs, which everyone has, with a sense of community. Otherwise, it breeds corruption and social favoritsm very easily. Which - ta da! - the U.S. is very good at conceiling, or making seem normal.

The American system is pretty well oiled all considering, but I just wonder how sound it's reasoning remains, in a era of such drasticaly wide ranging living standards. It used to be that most of us were all just a bunch of farmers trying to make it. Life is not nearly as hard now, for most, due in part to capitolism. But in all the glory, don't forget the people still trying to make it.
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we upper middle and upper class americans forget the way the rest lives. The power rests with us, we make the decisions, and we forget that the little guy just trying to get by is the average american. The thing is, the average american has it within themself to go to boundless limits within this country. America doesn't treat its citizens like six year olds, set up every detail for them to live happy, succesful lives, but if you can pick yourself up from the bootstraps, you can vault yourself up into a world hard to imagine. It's a trade-off. If you can hack, if you are willing to hack it, americans have no limits.
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Old 10-17-04, 03:10 AM   #46
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back to the topic of the aa tuning sc M3.. The official time obtained from car and driver magazine for the quarter mile is:

1/4-mile: 13.1 sec @ 109 mph Embarrasing

Now we have a problem. The 13.1 sec quartermile time can be obtained from an almost stock M3 with just minor mods(exhaust) which has 333hp at 7900rpm. AA tuning M3 which has around 440hp at 7600rpm does the time of 13.1 sec. I dont know but I would not pay around $9000us to have my car still in the low 13's. Hp is not everything but when 100hp is added to the car I would at LEAST expect the mid 12's.

The driver which tested the car had to be a good driver because it was a big event which had many tunner cars that were competing in the supercar challenge.
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Old 10-18-04, 02:05 AM   #47
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Bwah hahahahaha that's INCREDIBLY pathetic. Only 1/5th of a second faster than stock, yeah that's a great deal!!!!
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better off making it lighter its cheaper and greatly increases accelaration.also that extra power is probably hampering ur start off traction on a quarter mile run
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I believe AA is running 6 lbs. of boost. If that's the case I really doubt that the car is producing 110 hp over stock. I put the Dinan supercharger kit on my E 36 which runs 6 lbs of boost. Dinan claims around 341 hp or so at the crank but on the dyno it only showed about 314 or plus 74 hp. After adding cams, an intercooler and raising the boost to 10 lbs it showed 407hp. My guess is the AA car is running about 70-80hp over stock and probably wasn't a strong M3 to begin with.
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