600 BHP Audi RS8 in the pipelines

[quattro_boy]

Its the audi rsr thats going to use the gallardo's v10. The rs6 might use it as well.The audi rsr will use the same chassis and running gear as the gallardo but will have different driving characteristics

[izzyloveslizzy]

Isn't the RSR basically the Nuvolari? If so then that is the Gallardo engine that I'm talking about. Anyways I don't know about the cancellation of the RS8 either. I think it will be made, and if they make it it will probably have the Gallardo engine. And might I say, it's a sweet engine. I hope someone makes a Nitrous-assisted Super-Charged Intercooled Quad-Turbo W-20 engine. That should put out a good 2000HP or so. It'll be amazing to have that in a super-sport car. Of course it will probably fly into the outer atmosphere, but it's still good to dream, ain't it?

[thepolarfoxqx]

Well, a few things.

VW has put out official press releases saying the following:

Current Plans include no RS8
Lamborghini engines will not go into any other production car.

Unless they change their mind, RSR will likely be powered by a turbocharged Audi/VW engine. The RS8 simply wasn't practical, there was no market, and there was very little interest in spending the development costs. It would be a cool car, but Audi would sooner take on M5 with RS6 than fight mercedes for their 1200 S55 sales annually. Anyhow, the next S8 will come very close to S55 like performance.

A W20 wouln't be easy to do. A W20 would be two V10 linked together. A V10 naturally vibrates quite a bit, and the W configuration is prone to resonance in the block, the combination of the two gets very difficult to make workable. Also, VW loves their turbochargers, so a supercharger would be a long-shot. You could, if you were crazy enough, press the W16 all the way to 2,000, it wouldn't be easy though. I'd like to see the 6X turbo, 6X intercooled, 5V/cylender, W24, displacing 12L, a 120 valve motor, and it could press better than 1500 hp. Fun huh?

[Mihai]

in ams said that the vw phaeton might have a top engine with 600 hp.

[izzyloveslizzy]

These ideas of ours are very "fun" indeed. But not so sane! I could think up an Octa-Turbocharged/Supercharged Octa-Intercooled Nitrous-assisted W32 160-Valve engine with infinitely smart valve-timing and other techniques, displacing not 16, but 32Litres! (1L/Cyl.). This should be good for 3200Horses at least. And the engine you were talking about, would make far more than 1500HP (shouldn't it, logically?).

Also, I don't mean Lamborghini engines being used in Audis, I mean Audi or VW engines being used in Lamborghinis. Hence, the Gallardo, although first to use the engine, would only have a clone engine from the top of the VW empire.

[AudiVancouver]

I'd like to see that press release because VW is using the new Lambo V10 in the RSR. it will be dutuned from the Gallardo's 492 hp to 414 hp.

The same V10 is being showcased in the design-study Nuvolari but in this case they tune it to 600hp using biturbo. Dont expect the Nuvolari to make it into production in this form, though, because it is only a design exercise and is solely to highlight Audi's vision of future design cues (just like the Avus).

Make no mistake, the V-10 is 100% Sant'Agata (ei lamborghini). And as for V10's being inherintly unbalanced. Ummmm No. You have been spending too much time with American cars. This 5.0 liter V10 is very compact and designed to specs as tiny as swiss watches. In fact Grand prix cars are almost all V10's these days

Audi is very wise to share this powerplant with it's own upcoming high end models. Watch when this thing comes out... the sound will turn heads twice as often as the modena. And when those heads turn and see that sound coming from an Audi....

[Patrick]

Just to confirm the last post. Audi will be using the Gallardo's V10 in it's RSR sports car and detuned as stated above. I do however remember reading somwhere that the V10 was an audi design and not a lamboorghini 'orginal' shall we say.

As for V10's and their smoothness. V10's are an inherently unbalanced design (american or otherwise) it really doesn't matter how tight the tolerences are. Manufacturering tolerences can only reduce this to a certain degree. If you doun't believe me read the latest issue of Automobile Magazine. It has a great article on the 'baby' lambo and some very nice pictures as well. I hate to flog the V10 issue anymore but the fact that they are used in F1 is not a vaild arugment as to their smoothness and refinement. Race engines by their very nature are unrefined. Powerful yes, but scraficies are made in smoothness and refinement in an effort to create a powerful engine. Formula 1 engines are also a far cry from that of any street car engine.

[Patrick]

Theoretically, the best V-angle for a V10 is 72°. Like two inline-5 mated together, there is no vibration in vertical and transverse directions, but there is vibration from end to end of the engine, thus require a balancer shaft installed in the V-valley for best balance. However, there is no vibration between bank and bank because pistons in both banks are in the same positions. THere you have it boys (and girls I hope). I found this on some website. It shows that a V10 is unbalenced by design and requies a balance shaft to eliminate these vibrations.

[AudiVancouver]

I'll concede the V10 thing - honestly not my area of expertise but what I was trying to say is that the V10 in question was designed to be compact to overcome any natural unbalance (same automobile mag article you referred to).

I am certain this engine is a Lambo design. I cant find the article I saw that in but would put money on it (I can confirm it is manufactured in the lambo shop). I would think anyways that if there is one thing that they made sure was not pulled out of the parts-bin, it would be the engine. I dont think lamborghini enthousiasts would be happy if they found out they stuck a "plain" old vw engine (we all know its not plain but the general public would laugh) in the Gallardo. How well do you think the Modena would have done if it was known that the engine came from Fiat (in this case the parent co.)

It really is a tough to know what came from where these days when it comes to VW/Audi/Lambo/Bugatti/Bently. VW has done such an amazing job of turning around every company it brings under its wings. Design chiefs are shuffled around like crazy so although it is likely a german guy had a hand in this V10 it still has very obvious Lambo roots.

hehe... i think we've changed topics. I havent mentioned the Rs8 once.

[Patrick]

Yeah, your right they have gone to great lengths in order to reduce the unbalanced nature of the V10 I also agree with the fact that the V10 is a lambo engine, it is infact built in their own factory. The engine does have obvious lambo roots as well. I just thought I recalled that the design was audi's oh well no worries. Like you said its hard to say what comes from where anymore.