The AMG Viper?

Shaunt · 09-24-01, 02:43 AM

Since Mercedes merged with Chrysler, I have been hearing some talks of the AMG tuning the Viper, and making it into a automatic.

Now a automatic Viper would be horrible, but AMG tuning it is very good.

Does anyone else have any information to add so I can read. I am really interested in seeing what happens.

RolandK · 09-24-01, 08:11 AM

I can't really imagine that AMG will tune the Viper. The Viper is a car that was not very successful in Europe due to the bad window system. It is not good for the daily trip.

And that's very important for an AMG car.

Roland

Seb · 09-24-01, 03:19 PM

Rolandk tell me more of the window system never heard of it?. Right AMG works mainly for europe market automatic is not so popular as the 8l v10 here.

RolandK · 09-25-01, 08:27 AM

The Viper doesn't have real windows. It only has plastic windows which you have to fix everytime you want to close them or you can stow them into the trunk.

Roland

xilica · 05-15-02, 10:04 PM

the viper has very bad gas mileage, AMG shuld tune it up for more sales in the car

Ze · 07-11-02, 12:04 AM

Who buys a Viper doesn´t care about the window or the gas mileage

All I know it´s that there´s no better car than viper

thepolarfoxqx · 08-09-02, 05:03 AM

First off, the new viper looks like an oversized S2000. Second, the europeans know about class, refinement, and understatement, so their great sports cars, the 911 Turbo, E55, C32, M3, M5, etc. are usable as daily drivers, get decent mileage, and look just as good at a drag race as they do at the opera. You can take 3 freinds with you in one of those to impress them with its performance. And those of you who go "oohh - ahhh - 8.3L V10!!! keep in mind that that uses the same block and head (pushrod) design that debuted in the dodge 360 (the engine the V10 is based on) nearly 50 years ago. So with 8.3L of displacement, it can muster 500 hp, handles poorly, and looks between japanese and tacky. Now the new M5 will make 550hp with its 5.5L ultra high tech V10, and will have a better power to weight ratio - for about the same price

Why would you buy an antiquated, ugly, impractical, tacky viper?
plus, I hear the gas mileage sucks. I also here the M5 has better windows.

thebigsicilion · 08-24-02, 10:49 PM

I understand that everyone is entitled to there own opinion but have you ever driven a viper. Probably not based upon your comment on the gen 1 window problem that was corrected in 1997 which was 5 years ago. The 2nd gen vipers are completely differant in from the 1st gen. I not going to list all the differances here.

You mention great European sports cars. None of the cars you listed are even true sports cars except the 911 turbo. You think a m3 is a sports car? It cant even run the quarter mile in a respectable time. The m5 is nicer but a waste of 90k. Its a dog as well, I run circles around them.

You said the europeans know about understatements in vehicle design. If thats the case would the new lamborghini be an understatement? I think not.

thepolarfoxqx · 08-26-02, 05:29 AM

The M5 is a nice car. For next year it gets a 550hp V10, which will give a better power to weight ratio than a viper - a dog? The M3 is only 45,000 dollars, it is faster to 60 than a LS1 corvette - not a bad deal. The MB SLK32 runs to 60 in 4.61 seconds - which is only .3 seconds slower than a viper - and the SLK32 has only 6 cylenders and an automatic transmission. None of them look like they stole their headlights from a Camry. In fact, the same man designed both of them. Curious. Oh, and the fact that the 2003 Viper makes 500hp from 8.3L - that is 60hp/L - to put that in perspective - my Suzuki XL-7 makes 183hp from 2.7L - that is 68hp/L, A BMW M3 makes 333hp from 3.2L - that is 104, the supercharged SLK32 makes 349hp from 3.2L - that is 109, and the Porsche 911 Turbo makes 415 from 3.6L - that is 115hp. Now if the Viper were as efficent as the 911 Turbo - it would make 957hp - nine hundred and fifty-seven. Hmm, that is a lot more than 500. Maybe if the Viper engine were half way modern, it wouldn't be shamed in specific output by all of its competitors - even cars that are 1/5 of its price. Do you really need 505 cu. in. to go fast - or is it just to feel good about yourself?

silvertabone · 01-17-03, 07:45 PM

Whats with the infatuation with Horsepower per Liter and Viper bashing? Your suzuki may have 68hp/L, but can it compete with a Viper? So what is the point? The big advantage that the Viper has over some of the cars that you list is potential. 900hp out of an 8.3 V10 is not a difficult task, and many of the vipers out there have been modified to utilize this potential. With the wheelbase, availbility of aftermarket parts and suppliers, relative availibility of Vipers in general (at least here in the U.S., I dont know about other countries), and generally low priced parts - there is HUGE potential to be found within the Viper. No M5 that I have ever heard of (street legal) is going to be able to fight a Hennessy Viper. 1.04g with 0-60 in 2.7 sec. vs. The fastest BMW I know of - BMW Hamann 6.1L V12 which is 0-60 in 4.7sec. (not a tremendous difference from the 8.3L V-10)Of course, they do make a 4sec. M3, but that cant compare with a viper's size, its a totally different class. Now, to compare efficency with a 911 turbo, turbo is the key word there. If you didnt catch it, Vipers are N/A cars... now with a twin-turbo they are reaching your "957 hp" and higher. The Hennessy itself is just over 800hp. In response the the quesiton, No, you do not need 505 cubes to go fast, but fast is fast, regardless of how you get there - you choose your way, we will choose ours.
Also, as almost every major company has observed, the new Viper is most similar to the Chevy Corvette C5... which of course, was designed (1995) before the S2000. So perhaps the S2000 is a bad copy of the Corvette.