The AMG Viper?

[djfux69]

hennesy viper priced around 170,000.. thats way over the list price of the car.. and it is worked. it puts out 800hp.. that is horrible.. plus all the parts for it are incredibly expensive so i dont know what u are talking about the parts being low priced.. an engine that size needs to be modernized. but truthfully an engine that size is rediculous... its like saying mine is bigger.... but what have we heard over and over again??? its not the size that counts its how u use it.. and they used it very poorly.. like fox said 60hpp/l is horrendus.. its all about the tuning..

and bigsilicon u said u run cirles around m3s and m5s.. how??? do u wait till they are parked.. the m3 runs a 13.3 1/4 mile m5 runs a 13.0 and the viper gts runs a 13.7... why do u think that the viper has a respectable time and the others dont??? i drove the viper gts and truthfully... dissapointed


another thing.. the s2000 is an awesome car. not too many 2.0 4i that put out 240hp

[silvertabone]

Ok, I was not saying that the Hennessy parts are cheap, you are paying for the name. I was saying that Viper parts in general are cheaper than most high caliber cars. Also, I was not saying that the S2000 is not a good car, just simply that I assure you that the Viper was not designed to replicate the S2000. Personally I like and respect the S2000, they are a great roadster cars and are a helluva lot of fun to drive. If I didnt have my Camaro, I would think of the S2000, in fact I did think about it. Sure, Hennesy is expensive, but without the name, that is a $100,000 car, which is a few grand shy of a Porshe 911 Turbo. Its all about preference.

[bleh]

Originally Posted by Ze Who buys a Viper doesn´t care about the window or the gas mileage All I know it´s that there´s no better car than viper

Read more. Talk less. If you heed my advice you may not be such a biggot.

[Shayon201]

First of all who ever started the whole AMG thing about tuning the Viper dosent know shit about cars. AMG is ONLY for mercedes, they would never tune an american car. Even if they did, it wouldnt be a viper anymore. [/b]

[thepolarfoxqx]

Everyone who drives needs to care about gas mileage and windows. Going fast is optional, using a disresponsibly large amount of gas is not. Furthermore, you endanger peoples lives when you can't see them, and do some hot-dog manouver. A car is worthless if it does not have the essentials down. You have to start with a practical vehicle, then make it fast, not start with a racecar, and try to adapt it for the street.

That is why a porsche 911 and chevy corvette are easily better cars than a viper.

[silvertabone]

Whoa... Why not start with a racecar? Almost all high performance cars get their design and technology from race cars. Look at the Ferrari Enzo, Porsche 911 GT's, Panoz Esperante, etc. These cars all took race proven techniques and approaches and converted them to street use ( a much cheaper way of going about it ). First, prove them on the track, give them validity, them spend the $$ to implement them in production cars. If it works in a race car, it'll work on a street car, but it wont work the other way around. Almost all of the current automobile technology is based on some type of race-proven trials.

[thepolarfoxqx]

if you start with a racecar, the issue of course is that you are driving it on the street. All things that have to be primary considderations in a street car have to be afterthoughts on a car designed for the track, and modified to go on the road. Safety, comfort, visability, efficency, dependability, etc. A porsche 911 turbo is not a race car modified for the street, it is a fast car designed from the ground up as a road car, do you know of any race-car turned street car that can best a 911 turbo?

[silvertabone]

Well, I wasnt talking about the 911 Turbo, I was talking about the GT1(especially) - which is clearly a race car. It may be a 911 in style and SOME small aspects, but for all intensive purposes - a pure race car. Ok, cars that started as race cars that can best a 911 turbo:
Saleen S7 - started as a race project, even the first tame ones werent street legal - they had to tame quite a bit to make it legal.
Shelby Cobra Coupe
BMW M1
Counsiler
Pontiac Aztek

There are not very many admittedly.. but here we are talking about first year productions meant especially for racing. BUT, many of the present supercars are based and incorporate technology developed for racing. There are tons of examples: Ceramic brakes- developed by porsche and raced for a year on GT, a year later became $7,000 option on 911's. Others include Carbon fiber, Vented Discs, a HUGE amount of tire technology is developed by racing. There is plenty, Seriously, do you think the McLaren F1 is more of a race car or a street car?? It may be a street car, but fundamentally, it really isnt. If I took an Indy car and raised it, threw in an airbag and two bumpers - slipped on an exhaust and four wheel covers - would it be a street car or a race car? This can be said for so many "street" cars - Ferrari F40, F50, Enzo, Porsche GT1, Panoz Esperante, Pagani Zonda, Porsche 962 - All of these are just street legal race cars. But you make a great point about safety and visability, as far as comfort and efficiency goes - I think that If those are on the developers list, they are near the bottom. My only point is that a good amount of supercars are 80% race car and 20% street developed, and car companies pride themselves on it. If I just paid a quarter mill on a car and they told me it was tested on the backroads of Detroit, I really prefer Nurenburg, but I understand what you are saying. Just kidding about Aztek.

[kleinefisch]

lamborghini counach is another example. it was made to go fast, but driving that car sucked. visiblilty is horrible, the clutch and shifter are really heavy, but it went like a bat outta hell.

[thepolarfoxqx]

i fully support using racing technology in street cars, but I think you should start with a car designed for the street, and integrate the racing technology into. A "best of both worlds" situation if you will.